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JezzaYouBeauty!!

Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 86
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: ESL teachers - life in Japan. A question. |
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Hey all,
Just wanna ask a question.
I hope I get many people saying yes....or partly yes.....
Do you have a job that you are really happy with, you enjoy, is no stress at all, and that you are totally satisfied with?
...while also going out on average, 3 nights a week, drinking and eating all night, with one fantastic little group of 3 to around half a dozen, tight nit, foreign and japanese friends........in several little drinking establishments a 5 minute walk from where you live.....
....while also.....usually..... not arriving at work with a hangover.....
.....and while also....saving lots of money....lots......
For all its faults....actually that was Korea, for me.
hmmm.....oh well, just interested. And for those who often come on here asking "Korea or taiwan or Hong Kong or Japan...where should i go?" etc, .......this could be a good thread
-jezza |
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Mark
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 500 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:18 am Post subject: Re: ESL teachers - life in Japan. A question. |
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JezzaYouBeauty!! wrote: |
Do you have a job that you are really happy with, you enjoy, is no stress at all, and that you are totally satisfied with? |
Sort of, but not really. My job is really easy, the hours are low, and the pay is average, so in those respects it's okay. But, in my opinion at least, the curriculum is garbage and the lessons are taught in a robotic set formula. So, basically, I don't like it very much. I feel like the students are wasting their money and I'm wasting my time.
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...while also going out on average, 3 nights a week, drinking and eating all night, with one fantastic little group of 3 to around half a dozen, tight nit, foreign and japanese friends........in several little drinking establishments a 5 minute walk from where you live.....
....while also.....usually..... not arriving at work with a hangover.....
.....and while also....saving lots of money....lots...... |
Hells no. I'm tempted to think that you're joking, but you're new in Japan, so maybe not. Going out drinking and eating all night is basically a 10,000 yen proposition in my experience. Doing it 3 times a week is 30,000 yen a week. Or, 120,000 yen a month. That's nuts and completely unaffordable. Even if you did it on the cheap and only went to cheap izakayas and avoided clubs and bars and only spent 5,000 for an all-nighter, that's still 60,000 yen a month. Still expensive.
As for the tight-knit group, that's certainly possible, but unlikely in the big cities (at least Tokyo) because people live all over the city and it takes a long time to get anywhere. Basically, you'd need to have a tight-knit group who all live in the same area. That's unlikely. Especially if you want to live in an area with interesting places to go to as those areas are quite expensive.
But, I believe you said you live in Kyuushu or somewhere, so if you're in a smaller place it might be more possible.
Most people develop a crew of other foreigners that they hang out with, and there's often also a few Japanese in the group, but not always.
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For all its faults....actually that was Korea, for me. |
Well, it sounds good, and I hope you find the same thing in Japan, but in my experience that sort of thing is relatively uncommon. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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I had a great job, enough money to go out whenever I wanted (although usually for dinner and a drink or two--I'm just not the clubbing type of person), and enough people, foreign and Japanese, to go out with. It is definitely possible. If only my school hadn't closed and I had liked the country itself a bit more, I might still be there.
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JezzaYouBeauty!!

Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 86
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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yes....thanks for the input
Actually.......my question possibly was a bit silly. Of course no one has the exact same situation in Japan. Maybe some aspects the same.
Overall, besides those working in universities or international schools in Japan........comparison wise, I think things can be pretty sweet in Korea. Unfortunately, it is Korea that doesn't seem to be so sweet.....
And some do find themselves in pretty horrible (for several reasons) schools in korea, in not the best places to be.......probably the same for Japan really....in that sense.
I had a good situation and was lucky to meet a few good friends quickly, Korean and foreign.
For the "Where to go....Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan or Botswana?" kind of topics....... this is just my 2 cents worth........
Still,....I miss the 3 nights a week with my 3 closest friends representing, Korea, Canada and the U.S. ......the coalition of the drinking......we were........
-Jezza |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have a job that you are really happy with, you enjoy, is no stress at all, and that you are totally satisfied with? |
My first job was with a conversation school. My answers to your questions in that regard are...
pretty much, yeah (except they have a 3 year limit on contracts for FT teachers)
pretty much, yeah (I had free reign to plan my lessons as long as I used the books somewhat and finished the designated chapters on time)
pretty much, yeah (but no job is without stress)
pretty much, yeah (major problems included allowing students to advance just because they could pay for the class, using bad textbooks, and waiting for the staff to take so long to handle "class killer" students)
As for my next job at a private high school...
pretty much, yeah (except they have a 3 year limit on contracts for FT teachers)
pretty much, yeah (I learn something more about Japanese education every day, try to become a better teacher every day, but there are still problem moments and frustrations)
pretty much, but it is a major headache to have curricula changed every year and see horrible textbooks used and have nobody listen to your calls for help in changing them)
no, and I doubt that you will find many jobs that you CAN be totally satisfied with.
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...while also going out on average, 3 nights a week, drinking and eating all night, with one fantastic little group of 3 to around half a dozen, tight nit, foreign and japanese friends........in several little drinking establishments a 5 minute walk from where you live..... |
Dream on. Work until 9pm, finish paperwork, and try to go out for drinks??? What shape are you going to be in the next day 3 times a week?
The friends you find may very well do nothing but drink and complain, leaving you with little chance to learn Japanese. Moderation, people.
5 minutes from home? C'mon. More like 30-45 minutes. |
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JezzaYouBeauty!!

Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 86
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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actually.......i should say....my friends in Korea.....very intelligent and nice people.
Sitting down, conversing, eating, drinking together a few nights a week was wonderful.
When work hours are from around 4:30 PM to 9:30 PM, it can certainly be done. Not to mention a 5 minute walk to and from work, and the korean izakaya type places also. And no stress at work, except for a few psycho anti-japanese and anti-foreign teacher, elementary and middle school students......
I shouldn't harp on about it. My colleagues and I thought we were working in the best school in Korea. Just luck really.
But for those considering where to go to teach....it is some information I guess....
For those considering korea.......if I told you some of the stuff I heard of, saw and experienced in Korea......it is pretty.....bad....... BUT.....I bet you there are those who go to Korea and never experience anything bad at all and love it.
See ya..... |
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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 811 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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JezzaYouBeauty!! wrote: |
...while also going out on average, 3 nights a week, drinking and eating all night, with one fantastic little group of 3 to around half a dozen, tight nit, foreign and japanese friends........in several little drinking establishments a 5 minute walk from where you live.....
....while also.....usually..... not arriving at work with a hangover.....
.....and while also....saving lots of money....lots......
For all its faults....actually that was Korea, for me. |
Jezza, you've posted 71 times so far, most this same kind of rambling, incoherent whine about how "mean" the Japanese have been to you during all of your two months in the country and how great you've had it elsewhere. No offense, but perhaps you should go back to Korea?
I've known a large number of teachers--at all levels--who've worked in Korea; your argument that things are so much better there than in Japan seems at best a joke. Yeah, things are really "harsh" for you newbies in Japan. I mean, considering your "extensive" work experience, "advanced" Japanese language ability, "impressive" academic records, etc., the Japanese must really be a bunch of racist SOBs not to make you all CEOs of something.
No offense, but the only people I feel sorry for are people like Paul, Brooks, Glenski, Guest, Jim, etc.--i.e., those people who really do speak some Japanese (at least more than an occasional 可愛い shouted at some woman in a bar), who have academic records to speak of, who manage to come off articulate and helpful (at least on these boards), whose resumes can demonstrate a successful record of work experience. These people have the experience, wit, maturity and language ability to survive in Japan without someone continually holding their hands; moreover, they have made a real commitment to and have established actual roots in Japan--including families to raise/support. However, even they often cannot earn real community acceptance and long-term employment stability--which to me is the worst manifestation of Japanese racism.
On the other hand, most of you guys whining on these threads make me laugh. If you've been in Japan for all of two months, speak almost no Japanese at all, have no real work experience outside of a year or two in some Hogwan in Korea, and can barely articulate a complete sentence in English, then complaining in thread after thread how "unappreciated" you feel is really just silly. I mean, no offense but you are an unskilled, illiterate (in Japanese), would-be guest worker in a comparatively rural (九州) section of a developed country--should the local government have declared a national holiday at your arrival?! Seriously, what the heck were you expecting?
Racism/xenophobia are problems in Japan--leading to attitudes and working conditions which I ultimately found to be unacceptable. So, after 10 years in the country, I packed my bags and left. However, this does not negate the fact that 90% of my experiences in Japan over that time were extremely positive; furthermore, the contacts and work experience gained during my time there were crucial to my getting the positions I've held since my return to the States. Finally, after having worked with immigrants in California and New York, not to mention being married to one (and the brother-in-law of another), I must say that immigrants/guest workers everywhere have it tough--i.e., you may not like to hear this, but your spouses will have an equally difficult time dealing with the bizarre policies and narrowminded racism of your home countries if you do indeed return to them.
Good luck to you. |
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JezzaYouBeauty!!

Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 86
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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takibansei......you are complaining and WHINING about japan, and about newbies who don't speak japanese, and about me......and about people who are not glenski and paul and Jim etc......and about people whining........
...in one big, rambling, aggressive e-mail.
You've made all these absolutes....that would put down a lot of people. And you've made huge, incorrect assertions about the content of my previous postings.
Ahh....look......just go away |
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JezzaYouBeauty!!

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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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I know......'e-mail'.....I made a boo boo.......sorry |
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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 811 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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JezzaYouBeauty!! wrote: |
And you've made huge, incorrect assertions about the content of my previous postings. |
Nope, I was quite fair. In just about one month, you've started, what, 5 threads about how you hate it in Japan? 6 threads? And apart from the "Japanese did a lot of bad things historically" stuff, your major beefs appear to be:
1) Nobody speaks English around you
2) You can't make friends
3) You can't find a "good" job
Frankly, while I certainly understand how each of these things could be very frustrating, I'm not sure they're necessarily Japan's "fault"--at the least, they're not really examples of racism and/or xenophobia.
I think people can get caught up in negative stuff to the point that that is all they see--i.e., they lose the ability either to see positives or work constructively to improve the negatives. Can't talk to the people around you? Learn the native language (the local international centers are good places to do this--you can often make friends there as well). Feel isolated? Get a job (there are a number of job site links posted on this website). Don't like your job but are not qualified for a better one? Get qualified--Japanese salaries are usually high enough to allow you to save to pay tuition for certification and/or a higher degree. Don't like the Japanese police officer who tried to arrest you for "looking Brazilian" on a Sunday afternoon in a so-called "peace park" (which happened to me)?! Complain to someone in authority and try to make sure it doesn't happen again. Don't like the health insurance company that refuses to insure your foreign wife or the clinic staff that make patronizing remarks about your "adopted" children (both of which happened to us in the States)?! Complain to someone in authority, and take your business to someone else.
And if you really can't stand where you are and see no hope for things getting better, then get the heck out of such a horrible situation. Life is too short to suffer like that for no reason.
Good luck with whatever you do. |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: |
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No offense, but the only people I feel sorry for are people like Paul, Brooks, Glenski, Guest, Jim, etc.--i.e., those people who really do speak some Japanese (at least more than an occasional 可愛い shouted at some woman in a bar), who have academic records to speak of, who manage to come off articulate and helpful (at least on these boards), whose resumes can demonstrate a successful record of work experience. These people have the experience, wit, maturity and language ability to survive in Japan without someone continually holding their hands; moreover, they have made a real commitment to and have established actual roots in Japan--including families to raise/support. However, even they often cannot earn real community acceptance and long-term employment stability--which to me is the worst manifestation of Japanese racism.
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Fooled you! Hey, wanna buy a bridge?  |
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taikibansei
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 811 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:15 am Post subject: |
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guest of Japan wrote: |
Hey, wanna buy a bridge?  |
Only if it's connecting some prime swamp land....  |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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taikibansei wrote: |
guest of Japan wrote: |
Hey, wanna buy a bridge?  |
Only if it's connecting some prime swamp land....  |
I have a beach at low tide if you are interested. |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:32 am Post subject: |
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I like my job very much.
I currently work at a senmon gakko (technical college), so I'm working with the student age group that I'm most comfortable with (the 18-30 crowd; no kids, no teenagers, no middle-aged salarymen, and no obasans). The staff there are quite friendly and I am respected as an actual teacher there by the students and staff, rather than just hired help or a conversation partner like at an eikaiwa. The office ladies even bring me tea, orange juice, and snacks--something that is still taking some getting used to.
I work Monday through Friday, but there are no classes on Friday. I teach six 90-minute lessons a week. When I am not teaching, I simply do prep. But because prep is easy (I don't have so many lessons to prep for), I spend a lot of time in the office (I share an office with all the other teachers, but I have my own computer and internet access) working on my own personal projects or simply netsurfing.
I am the only English teacher and the only foreigner at the school. This might make some people lonely, but it has worked out fine for me. It has done wonders for my Japanese, particularly my listening comprehension and my knowledge of slang, because I am exposed to and forced to use Japanese everyday. I pretty much AM the English department and am (almost) completely responsible for what goes on in the classroom. The only thing I can't choose is the textbook. I choose the activities and assign and grade the homework. I'm also allowed to use Japanese in the classroom, so I don't have to worry about giving my students a "hint" in Japanese without worrying about them calling the office after the lesson, complaining that I spoke Japanese (like eikaiwa students do), and getting an earful from my trainer.
I get all national holidays off in addition to four weeks of paid vacation a year. And if I have to work on a weekend (such as attending a training seminar or working at an open campus event), then I can take a compensation day off at a later date. The school provided me with an apartment that is a very, very large 1DK (the bedroom is 6-mats, the living room/kitchen area is about 14-mats) and pays half the rent for it. They even paid for me to move here. I get National Health Insurance and pension and the school has been very cooperative with me in terms of setting it up for me.
We also have many office dinners and barbeques. I remember going to one such barbeque about a month ago on a Sunday afternoon and they were litterally throwing chuuhais and beers at me to drink. (That was the first time I've ever been drunk before noon on a Sunday afternoon. *grin*)
Sometimes I do a few other projects, not just teaching. For example, I had to plan and conduct a presentation for an international delegation that visited my school earlier this month. I also had to train the office ladies in English so that they could serve as tour guides for the visitors. I also sometimes do some proofreading and odd jobs like that. Basically, I get to use my brain and feel a real sense of ownership and appreciation for what I do. It can be a busy job, but it's different from the type of busy that you experience at an eikaiwa where you have only a few minutes to write lesson comments, go to the bathroom, and search for files.
Considering that I was fortunate enough to escape eikaiwa, I consider myself very, very lucky to have secured this gig. Japan is such a wonderful country--I can't believe how much I was missing when I was stuck doing that job. To those seeking an escape from NOVA and GEOS and whatnot, learn Japanese, pay your dues, sign up for as much training as you can at your current job, network, and cross your fingers. |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:37 am Post subject: |
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As a matter of fact it does connect two very mirky, sweltering, malaria infested swamps. I'm glad you're interested. Let's see in yen it's retail value is about 10,000, so if we use a standard yen to dollar conversion of 1 to 100 - you can be the proud owner of said bridge for only $1,000,000.
The office will be open 24 hours to process your transaction if you still have interest. We are also willing to act as a broker in case you would prefer the front of beach property that Paul is offering. |
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