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katy



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:01 pm    Post subject: UK Contract Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me what the benefit of having a UK contract is when taking a job abroad? What's in it for me and why would an employer offer one?

Any thoughts welcome. Thanks.
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SueH



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Location: Northern Italy

PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's in somewhere like Italy it's so that the employer can avoid expensive social security and health costs.
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katy



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's somewhere exactly like Italy. Is that it? Is that the only reason, and does this mean my national insurance in the UK would be paid instead?
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SueH



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any arrangement would be between you and your employer, but I suspect they'd rather pay our lower rates of NI and tax on what are probably (?) rather low overseas earnings.

Read any contract carefully!
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31



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What difference does it make? The salary is going to be low and in what court would you go to get your pittance if it all goes wrong?
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rogan



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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Location: at home, in France

PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: UK employer in a far foreign place. Reply with quote

Katy,

If you are a Brit working for a British company, even though you are based abroad (sic) - it means that you pay British NI and Income tax.

The benefits for you :-
1. You can go back to the UK and claim unemployment benefit without any problems when the contract finishes.
2. You will be contributing to your old age pension (however far away in time that it is)
3. If, or when, the brown smelly stuff hits the fan, you will be able to use British Employment law and Industrial tribunals to claim compensation. You would probably be entitled to legal aid to help you do this. If not, any British based Trade Union would back your claim and provide legal representation.

The benefits for the employer :-
1. Who cares, it won't improve your salary.
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Stephen Jones



Joined: 21 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She would almost certainly be better off under Italian employment law than under British law.

The advantage would be that they would allow her to claim Social Security in Britain without an interview and assessment (the SS has been known to tell returning TEFLers that they should go back to Vietnam!).
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Chris_Crossley



Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!

PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:58 am    Post subject: Who's really in charge of the social security system? Reply with quote

Stephen Jones wrote:
She would almost certainly be better off under Italian employment law than under British law.

The advantage would be that they would allow her to claim Social Security in Britain without an interview and assessment (the SS has been known to tell returning TEFLers that they should go back to Vietnam!).


So it's true! Now we know that Heinrich Himmler's organisation really is the one that has been running the social security system in Britain ever since the Welfare State started in 1945! Shocked Shocked Shocked

I can remember an episode of the BBC sit-com "In Sickness and In Health", where an angry Alf Garnett (Warren Mitchell), having shouted something like, "Bloody DHSS!" [Department of Health and Social Security, as it was in those days], was just about to leave the DHSS office when he then turns around and shouts at a clerk, "SS is right! Sieg Heil!" and does the Nazi salute.
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katy



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a lot of activity since I was last here. Thanks for all your input guys. I actually met with my DOS over the weekend and we chatted over the contract with no hard sell. He offered me an Italian contract if I wanted, and in any case the salary is good in TEFL terms (regardless of whose tax I'm paying) so I have no concerns there. I was just curious as it seemed a bit strange to be bound by the laws of a country where you neither live nor work. I think I have my head around it now though. thanks again.
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