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jingoye
Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: Needing advice from the experienced teachers |
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Greetings, I'm coming to Japan to teach at one of the bigger eikaiwa companies. However, I've been frequenting these forums for the past several months, and it seems (albeit a lot of hearsay) that the particular eikaiwa I will be working at isn't getting very warm reviews.
I've been told to jump ship when I get to Japan, but that really bothers me because for starters, I always honor my contracts. Two, the complaints that I've heard really do not bother me. After being a blue collar worker, working 12 hours days for seven days a week, and getting my university degree, I work hard as long as the conditions aren't horrible, and three, even if I am a robotic chicken reading from a textbook, I'll always manage to slip in some material that will improve my students' English.
However, just in case the conditions are much worst than I think, and let's say I do want to jump ship, if I apply for another conversation school, how do I explain why I am in Japan? Should I even mention the eikaiwa I'm working at, or will it lead those potential employers to believe I am not trustworthy and one who tends to leave quickly?
Thanks for the advice in advance. Also, I want to thank everyone, mostly PaulH, because like I said, I have been reading everyone's post and learning the reality of the business and what it takes.
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Needing advice from the experienced teachers |
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jingoye wrote: |
Greetings, I'm coming to Japan to teach at one of the bigger eikaiwa companies. However, I've been frequenting these forums for the past several months, and it seems (albeit a lot of hearsay) that the particular eikaiwa I will be working at isn't getting very warm reviews. |
Just my personal opinion, but I think any school you go to you will find something wrong with it. NOVA has 4000 foreign employees and obviously you cant please everybody. they are not there to entertain you, you are there to work. You get out of it what you put into it IMO.
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GI've been told to jump ship when I get to Japan, but that really bothers me because for starters, I always honor my contracts. Two, the complaints that I've heard really do not bother me. After being a blue collar worker, working 12 hours days for seven days a week, and getting my university degree, I work hard as long as the conditions aren't horrible, and three, even if I am a robotic chicken reading from a textbook, I'll always manage to slip in some material that will improve my students' English. |
No one is making you quit your contract and many stay the course. i worked 11 months at NOVA and many stay there for years. If you feel you must leave, hand in your notice and quit. No one can make you work against your will here.
I think where people come unglued is that they have this romantic vision of teaching as being like they were in high school, standing at the front of a room and spouting forth knowledge with students listening in rapt adoration. They get here and find its a 6-7 class, 8 hour a day GRIND. Lots of low level students, the textbook is very routine and monotonous and you may find yourself doing the same lesson, 3-4 times in a day. The novelty wears off VERY quickly for most newbies.
Language schools here are profit making businesses, and as such will squeeze every last ounce of work and effort out of you, for as low pay as possible. Some like dispatch companies make money off you, by keeping up to 50% of your salary, from what they are paid by the client. School does little or nothing for what they keep of your salary. If you have a look at the stickies on contracts etc you can see that many schools are actually exploitative of their workers, if not having illegal contracts with their clients. They are actually breaking the law.
Before you can teach students, you actually have to learn how to teach them which means getting training. 90% of new people who come here have no previous experience or training and do an OK, but most really have no idea what they are doing or why, and what is going on in the minds of their students. You learn how to teach OTJ and hope you dont do too badly or fall flat on your face through ignorance or not knowing any better.
Students will improve in spite of a bad or inexperienced teacher becuase what you do is provide them with input, or an opportunity to speak English. Its not actually your teaching skill that matters so much but giving a student a chance to sit in a class and speak to a foreigner. With enough practice and exposure a student will work out the rules without needing explicit instruction or 'teaching' from you. Just like you can work out grammar rules or vocabulary by context, input, practice etc. The average eikaiwa teacher is not really a teacher but more of a coach or a conversation partner. They are paying you for your foreignness and english ability, not for the fact you know how to teach anything. A good teacher will actually take the trouble to learn how and get some training on teaching TEFL.
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However, just in case the conditions are much worst than I think, and let's say I do want to jump ship, if I apply for another conversation school, how do I explain why I am in Japan? Should I even mention the eikaiwa I'm working at, or will it lead those potential employers to believe I am not trustworthy and one who tends to leave quickly?Jin |
You don't have to explain anything, just say your last employer wasnt a good fit, you are looking for work. You have a valid work visa and thats all they care about. You don't need to tell you life story. Tell them only what they need to know and vice versa. Many will not want to sponsor your visa or will hire you part time, so having a valid work visa will be a plus. Fit what you have to their needs.
P.S. Chucking in one job after a few months doesnt make you less trustworthy. Job hopping is quite common here and most employers know you wont stay at a school forever. Most new people only last 6-12 months at any one school. They are more concerned with your visa status than your work history (or lack of one), at least in the early stages.
Coming to work drunk or hungover, using your classes to date or proposition students or turning up late for work will make you appear less trustworthy and unreliable, but simply quitting your job and moving somewhere else is done all the time. i wouldnt worry too much about employers reading to much in to your reasons for looking for a new job.
Finding and getting jobs here is a numbers game. Network, and keep applying for jobs until you get someone who says yes and dont worry too much about what one or another employer may be thinking. They are human beings just like you, and you have no control over what they think or whether or not they may hire you. All I can suggest is do your best and make yourself as attractive as possible. Be glass-half-full rather than glass-half-empty and seek out the negatives to why they shouldnt hire you.
Too many people grab the first thing that comes along as they worry they will get left out or left behind or not get hired, so what do they do? Take whatever the employer throws at them, and then live to regret it later. Im not saying that someone has a lot of choices, but you can strengthen that by not putting all your eggs in one basket, apply to lots of different places and not worry too much about what individual employers think. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:56 am Post subject: |
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Paul is forgetting one important detail about jumping ship. If you work for one of the big four and leave before the contract is up just to join one of the other three, be aware that some of them WON'T HIRE YOU because of your shortened contract with the previous one.
Also, as has been stated a million times here, people *beep* and complain about eikaiwas, especially certain ones. One reason to do that is because it's easier than taking the time to write something positive. Also, the big four employ the most teachers aside from the JET program, so you are likely to hear from them anyway.
Many people have good experiences with the big four. A lot depends on the branch manager and/or your own expectations and background.
http://markcity.blogspot.com/teaching.htm
http://vocaro.com/trevor/japan/nova/level_up.html
http://www.grassrootdesign.com/articles/nova.asp |
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jingoye
Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Paul, and I forgot to mention you in my first post, Glenski. I also read your posts on another other site, too.
I guess I'm built differently than other people. I actually like repeating material, because I'll either refine my approach or find new ways to present it. As for teaching experience, I dedicated myself to see if I was really ready to teach English as a second or foreign language, so I spent six months teaching low-income Latino students with very basic knowledge of the language.
For the first three months, it was very hard. I didn't speak Spanish, so it was difficult to translate or express my lessons. But by the four month, I had organize my lessons more effectively, and the machine was rolling. They were learning and I was learning in the whole process. It was good times for me, and it motivated me to get a TEFL certification.
So the next step is going to Japan. I probably won't be bitter, because life is really about a comedy of errors, so I tend to be more steadfast with humor about everyday life, both good and bad.
Although... I would find my life a little incomplete if I don't eat the best omurice in Japan.
To Glenski, how would the other three know about this if I don't mention it? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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If you come to Japan and bail out in a month or so, you will have a hard time explaining how you got a work visa that has nearly a year left on it, unless you mention a previous employer. Some places want to see a copy of your passport information, too, and that will list the dates of the visa. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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jingoye wrote: |
For the first three months, it was very hard. I didn't speak Spanish, so it was difficult to translate or express my lessons. But by the four month, I had organize my lessons more effectively, and the machine was rolling. They were learning and I was learning in the whole process. It was good times for me, and it motivated me to get a TEFL certification.
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Just one point, and you will get a lot of different opinions on this, but even with beginner classes its not expected that you will know or speak japanese. Students are paying for you to speak English, though with low level classes students will appreciate it if you can understand the language..
http://www.eltforum.com/topic_arch.asp?AID=129
Speaking Students Mother Tongue in the classroom
At many schools use of Japanese is banned in the classroom by foreign teachers but some teachers will slip it in anyway. I wouldnt worry too much about not knowing Japanese, as unlike Spanish, Japanese people do not really expect you to be able to understand or speak the language, and have a bit of a mental block about non-Japanese or caucasians being able to speak the language. Most think Japanese is too 'difficult' for foreigners to learn to speak well.
You are not expected to translate into Japanese because
1. they get six years of translation in high school, they can understand it becuase its been put in their language but by translating it they dont get the opportunity to use language productively i.e. actually speak and hear English.
2. Students get lazy if they know you will put everything into Japanese for them. In Japan students learn language passively and they are not used to the idea of actually having to open their mouths and speak themselves. For 6 years they are spoonfed English without having to actually use it themselves. the first time they do that is when they get into an eikaiwa classroom with a foreigner.
I would suggest getting some kind of training but I wouldnt spend a lot of money unless you are sure you will stay in the field. there is not much point spending $2000 on a course just so you can teach for a year. A cheaper course may not teach you as much or be as valuable or "recognised" but at least you won't go into a class totally cold. Maybe a good idea is to read up on basic TESOL techniques, learn the ropes at the school you go to and perhaps do a course later on. Some schools here dont like "prima donnas" or experts with TESOL certs coming in and telling them how their teaching system is faulty and how things should be changed according to "proper" ESL methodology.
Most chain schools here do not pay you extra for having TEFL certs and 90% of foreign managers or trainers are not TEFL certified themselves but have worked their way up the ranks at their companies as former grunt teachers. They know how to use their textbooks and dont expect you to know the Communicative Method or Direct Approach etc and simply want you to do things their way. If you want to be creative and independent I would suggest you do that with privates or start your own school even. |
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