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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:03 am    Post subject: New labor rules in place Reply with quote

Here is a new labor law that may be of interest to people that are in the process of renewing or not renewing contracts with their employers, or having employers threaten to not renew you.


Did you know that a company cannot fire you if you refuse to sign a new contract? Did you know that you may be considered a permanent employee at your place of employment after working there just over a year? Did you know that your employer has no legal right to decide whether or not your contract is renewed? That is YOUR right under the law (unless you have done something really bad to warrant termination).

This is so far brand new, its not common knowledge yet, but if an employer threatens to "fire" you by not renewing your contract, or firing you becuase you choose not to renew, he is in fact breaking the labor laws.


KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. It's all you have to protect yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please provide a link.

So you're saying it's lifetime employment now and the only way to lose your job is for the company to go under, or to have done something really bad?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
Please provide a link.

So you're saying it's lifetime employment now and the only way to lose your job is for the company to go under, or to have done something really bad?


All I have to go on is the following link

http://www.gaijinpot.com/bb/showthread.php?p=112997#post112997

Scroll down the bottom

Employers can still fire you but it has to be for a justifiable reason (being late, thump your boss, drunk on the job) but employers can not threaten you with non-renewal of your contract unless its for a firing offence.

Saying you want to quit or not renew your job and then your boss dismisses you instead of waiting out the end of your contract seems to be illegal as well. I have seen stories of people being replaced before their notice is up and told not to come in to work with weeks still left on their contract/notice.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, by all means give us a link to an official source.

canuck,
I'm sure that if an employer wants to give you a new contract that you don't like, and you refuse to sign it, you will probably leave the company anyway. If you don't, my question is this: since your original contract had a specified expiration on it, just what contract do you use if you want to stay? He can't fire you for not signing the new contract, right? So, what is the legality here?

Plus, you don't have lifetime employment. I'm sure whoever came up with the change has taken that into account. One way to leave is to do something that your employer doesn't agree with, like breaking a clause in the contract.

However, my original question still stands. If you don't want to leave, but if at the same time you don't like any new contracts, what is the situation? Are employees going to just camp out in their offices claiming this new law permits them to stay? I'm sure there is a simple explanation.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, this law implies that a contract is only there to determine the company
s obligations to the employee, the salary, benefits and employee's roles for the term of a year, right? The gist of this information indicates that the company still has to have a justifiable reason to terminate.

Just like most teaching jobs on contract that I've seen in Canada.

This tidbit of news also suggests to me that the terms in many contracts are in fact misleading and illegal...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(from a recent newpaper article by Louis Carlet of the Tokyo Labor Union)

I was working for an English-language school in Tokyo and got fired without any notice at all. My one-year contract doesn't expire for four more months. Can they do that?
YES and no. In the short term, employers fire workers for good reasons, bad reasons and for no reason. An employer must have a very good reason to fire an employee for it to hold up in a court of law, particularly in the middle of the term of an employment contract. Such reasons include excessive tardiness or absence. If performance is the reason, it must be extremely poor performance.

What can you do if you think you've been unfairly dismissed? Lots. First of all, refuse the dismissal explicitly both verbally and in writing, saving a copy for your records. Then while you, your union or your lawyer prepare a strategy to fight the dismissal, make sure to show up for work at your ordinarily scheduled hours, even beyond your official dismissal date.

This is a practice known as "shuro toso," or "reporting-for-work struggle." Each day you show up, bring a signed and dated statement of your intention to work, again with a copy for your records. If your employer tells you to leave, come back the next scheduled working day. And so on.


Probation confusion

I was with a language school for only three weeks and then got fired. My employer told me she doesn't have to pay me the one-month dismissal allowance because I was still under probation and also because I had poor teaching skills. What can I do?
EMPLOYERS set "probation periods" somewhat arbitrarily, anywhere from a few weeks to six months. If you are dismissed, however, your employer must either give one month's notice or one-month pay in lieu (or a combined total of one month).

The only exceptions are: If you commit a crime against the company and your employer registers for a special exemption from the Labor Standards Office (LSO -- "rodo kijun kantoku-sho"); or if you have worked with the company for less than two weeks. So in effect the law recognizes only two weeks as a "probation period" exempting employers from the one-month obligation.

If your employer refuses, go to the LSO and ask the folks down there to investigate.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Hmm... Reply with quote

I seriously doubt that anything can protect you against contract expiry...

What if you work in a situation where you must re-apply for your job on a yearly basis?

For example, say I work for 3 years somewhere, each year having had my contract renewed for another year. Then following my yearly "job interview" they inform me that my candidacy wasn't successful and that they've hired someone else in my stead. I sincerely doubt that I have any recourse in such a situation... Union or no union, all what they did was hire a "more qualified" person, right?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hmm... Reply with quote

The Dog Ate My Keitai wrote:
I seriously doubt that anything can protect you against contract expiry...

What if you work in a situation where you must re-apply for your job on a yearly basis?

For example, say I work for 3 years somewhere, each year having had my contract renewed for another year.


From the General Union website

Can my employer not renew my contract without offering me any reasons?

Sadly enough, the issue of contract non-renewal is not dealt with in the Labour Standards Law. Once again we would advise that any worker in this situation call the union immediately and not sign anything from the employer.


Civil Law does deal with this issue but the only way to use this law for an individual is to sue the employer. Past civil rulings have said that a one year contract worker who has been renewed several times should be treated like a worker on an unlimited term contract and therefore an employer must have proper reasons for dismissal (non-renewal). In the past the General Union has been able to deal with this issue inside and outside of courts especially against companies who use non-renewal to fire union members for union activity.

The same with firings; if you're told that your contract is not being renewed, try to get the company to give you reasons (they don't have a legal obligation to give you any) and tell the company that you don't accept this and are willing to work at any time (see the question on firings).

The Dog Ate My Keitai wrote:
I Then following my yearly "job interview" they inform me that my candidacy wasn't successful and that they've hired someone else in my stead. I sincerely doubt that I have any recourse in such a situation... Union or no union, all what they did was hire a "more qualified" person, right?


This really begs the question (and I know people who have had to re-apply to keep their own jobs in competition with new people applying who would replace them, while still employed) as to why you should be a candidate for your own job when you are already working for them?

It's not as if you are applying for a job as a new employee.

As the above post shows, an employer has to be able to give you a valid reason as to why you are not being renewed. Conversation schools being what they are, employers look for fresh blood, and dont want teachers being 'stale'. See the Gwendolyn Gallagaher case on http://www.debito.org (well qualified teacher gets fired after 15 years at the same university, told she is not 'fresh gaijin' any more)

Being like yesterdays newspaper is not enough reason to fire or dismiss someone and schools need to have a valid reason to dismiss you. Employers use the contracts as an excuse not to keep you on permanently, as generally speaking its very hard to can someone in Japan, so they let non-renewal of contracts absolve the employer of any responsibility. They simply say "his contract was up" when they want to get rid of someone. Same goes with the dispatch companies. School such as Interac loses the contract with a client after 3 months, has to compete for a new contract with other schools, and they throw you overboard as a result as there is no work for you, and hire someone else when work picks up again.

The Dog Ate My Keitai wrote:
I. I sincerely doubt that I have any recourse in such a situation... Union or no union, all what they did was hire a "more qualified" person, right?



You have a lot of recourse, but you don't if you yourself dont challenge the dismissal. 95% of employees in their first year in Japan just accept that their contract is up and leave, or else they themselve choose not to renew it- it works both ways. You can challenge an unfair firing or a dismissal, as your employer has to get your written permission of you agreeing to the dismissal. if you dont sign it and keep on coming to work he has to keep paying you until the matter is resolved. This is where unions usually come in. If you don't belong to a union and fight to keep your job they can't help you and you are on your own. Most people initially dont join a union until its too late or their employer has already tried to dismiss them and they come running to the union for help.


As to your second point about a more "qualified person". Well you were qualified enough when they hired you, and this statement simply says you were not up to the task of teaching, and by definition were "underqualified" for the position, if they seek someone more qualified. It doesnt really require alot in the way of skills and experience as a conversation or a dispatch teacher, and 3 years of experience is ample qualification anyway. What are they going to do, hire someone with 4 or 5 years experience?

usually schools will not use this excuse to fire some one, and I know at universities, teachers have been fired or dismissed for getting higher qualification. i know one one teacher had to sign a written letter saying he wouldnt work on his PhD during school hours, though it tied in with his school work and research for his job.

Their rationale was that he was qualified enough when they hired him and he doesn't need any more qualifications. This is often why schools do not support you when you want to do a CELTA or a teaching certificate as they regard a BA as sufficient. I find it hard to believe they will fire you over someone having higher qualifications than you when they are not needed in the first place, and they will not support you getting similar qualifications yourself.

Sorry if I sound a bit cynical, but I have jumped through all the employer hoops myself, have had and still have contracts expire on me and be made redundant. Employers use the contract as a safety valve to turn over employees on a regular basis, have fresh faces come in every year and it saves them the trouble of pink slipping you and getting sued for unfair dismissal. A majority of people here just accept it and move on, thinking that the contract is written in stone (its not, the Labor Standards law is written in stone, it overrides work contract, but the problem is that the courts here often do not uphold their own laws or punish employers for breaking their own contracts)

Its up to teachers themselves to challenge an unfair dismissal, challenge being pushed out the door because you have been there too long, too old, not "popular" enough as a teacher or simply past your shelf-life.

The point Im trying to make out of all this is that although contracts are a fact of life for foriegn teachers in Japan, they are not sacrosanct and I think too many people are scared of making waves with their employers, thinking they hold all the Aces, when they don't.

OK, rant over for now,


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How very Japanese... There is nothing you can do... and... You can do a lot.

Nevertheless. I suppose being a union member might facilitate such negotiations.

I hope I never find myself in such a situation... Just FYI, Paul, the situation I presented is HALFWAY hypothetical... It does represent my own case, at least so far as the fact that I DO, in fact, have to re-interview for my job every year... This year I was successful. But what if next year I'm not? Or the year after that? And, no, we're not talking about an eikaiwa here, either... We're talking board of ed.

However if I ever were to ever find myself in such a situation, it may get interesting, as I've never signed any sort of contract with the BoE where I work (at least not to my knowledge) and the only sort of "contract" that exists has been written only in English and doesn't get signed -- it's given out almost as a handbook or guide.

I know that you're supposed to have a written contract, but I tend to think that if I DON'T, my argument can always be that I never agreed to being hired only as a temporary (1yr contract) worker and that the fact that I've worked there for a number of years should entitle me to some employment permanency.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dog Ate My Keitai wrote:
I hope I never find myself in such a situation... Just FYI, Paul, the situation I presented is HALFWAY hypothetical... It does represent my own case, at least so far as the fact that I DO, in fact, have to re-interview for my job every year... This year I was successful. But what if next year I'm not? Or the year after that? And, no, we're not talking about an eikaiwa here, either... We're talking board of ed.

However if I ever were to ever find myself in such a situation, it may get interesting, as I've never signed any sort of contract with the BoE where I work (at least not to my knowledge) and the only sort of "contract" that exists has been written only in English and doesn't get signed -- it's given out almost as a handbook or guide.

I know that you're supposed to have a written contract, but I tend to think that if I DON'T, my argument can always be that I never agreed to being hired only as a temporary (1yr contract) worker and that the fact that I've worked there for a number of years should entitle me to some employment permanency.


I dont have any experience with ALTs and BOES so Im probably not qualified to comment, but after many years here I have learnt several things:

1. Never assume anything. Find out exactly what your legal rights are, where you stand with your employer becuase one day they will simply say they are not renewing your contract without giving you a reason why and say its japanese custom or whatever. In my case i was at a national university and it was actually a government regulation written in a book that foreigners could only get three years with no renewal (but they did give me a years extension when it suited them). Most other full time university contracts are the same. there is no legal reason for a one year contract, thats the way its always been done and they see no reason to change it. Dont fix it if it ain't broken.

I speak from the perspective of someone with dependents, and its very distressful and destabilising to be in permanent job-hunt mode every year even though you have years of experience and qualifications up the wazoo. I have PR and really have no need of one year contracts renewed every year.


2. Im not sure about the BOE but the reason that you have dispatch companies in the first place is that most BOEs dont want to have to deal with hiring and firing, paying taxes on you, pensions etc and generally treating you like a full time employee where they cant fire you. You are not really a "seishain" or full time public servant, but as a temporary "hired help" whom they employ on a long term basis, as long as they need you. Its a bit like permanent temp work. I wouldnt want to do if if I was married and with kids though. I am though, and thats why I spend so much time and energy on acquiring qualifications, networking gaining experience and keeping on top of the the job search. You cant just sit and wait for the other shoe to drop (and it will eventually).

You could probably try to sue the BOE of letting you out of your contract but i havent heard too many people do that except the BOE in Nishinomiya vs the General Union and a case in Higashi Osaka a few years ago ( the teachers even went on a 5-day hunger strike).

With public organisations here trying to resist a non renewal is almost an exercise in futility unless you are prepared for a long fight, are prepared to hire lawyers and slug it out in court, and as the BOE has the backing of the government behind them, they are fundamentally xenophobic anyway (court judges also are very pro-government and conservative). We are just the hired help, and not intended to become permanent fixtures. there is no harm in trying though.

P.S. I think probably what you have is not a contract, but a certificate of employment (jirei) saying you will work for one year for XYZ and then they will renew it every year until they change their minds. A BOE probably doent see the need for a contract as its essentially a government body and there is no real need to put things in writing. I would guess most of the other japanese employees are considered lifetime and dont have contracts. However the rules are less clear for foreigners as you are not japanese, and they make up the rules as they go along. My guess is no one has ever challenged them on their non-renewal of contracts or tested the force of law on their policies.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As to your second point about a more "qualified person". Well you were qualified enough when they hired you, and this statement simply says you were not up to the task of teaching, and by definition were "underqualified" for the position, if they seek someone more qualified. It doesnt really require alot in the way of skills and experience as a conversation or a dispatch teacher, and 3 years of experience is ample qualification anyway. What are they going to do, hire someone with 4 or 5 years experience?

One may have been qualified enough for a position, but who's to say that an employer wants more later? If he hired someone with a BA in anthropology and no experience, then later decides, for example, to hire people with BA's in Linguistics (or related field) and more years of experience than you have, so be it. That's his prerogative. So, yes, Paul, employers CAN hire people with 4 to 5 years of experience if they want, and use this legally as a way to get rid of lesser experienced people. I don't like it, but I see nothing illegal about it.

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I know at universities, teachers have been fired or dismissed for getting higher qualification. i know one one teacher had to sign a written letter saying he wouldnt work on his PhD during school hours, though it tied in with his school work and research for his job.

Their rationale was that he was qualified enough when they hired him and he doesn't need any more qualifications.

I hope this is not commonplace, because there are those among us who would like to improve ourselves. Do you think they ousted those teachers in question because they would have had to pay them more with the higher qualifications? That's my thought anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:

P.S. I think probably what you have is not a contract, but a certificate of employment (jirei) saying you will work for one year for XYZ and then they will renew it every year until they change their minds. A BOE probably doent see the need for a contract as its essentially a government body and there is no real need to put things in writing. I would guess most of the other japanese employees are considered lifetime and dont have contracts. However the rules are less clear for foreigners as you are not japanese, and they make up the rules as they go along. My guess is no one has ever challenged them on their non-renewal of contracts or tested the force of law on their policies.


Yup, yup, yup.... That's exactly the case. I have a certificate of employment (or letter or appointment) from year to year. So far so good, but I don't want to be around when they change their minds one year (which may or may not be anytime soon)... And although I have no dependents as such, relying on my wife's salary alone would be rather stressful to say the least...

You are also correct about your other points as well, in regards to the feeling that that nothing needs to be put in writing, most other Japanese employees being considered lifetime and making up rules as they go along for foreigners. No one has challenged them, nor would they, for reasons that are long and complicated to go into on a forum.... I'd be glad to discuss it over some cold beers in Tokyo sometime but sufficed to say, a court battle would be unlikely to result between the local BoE and any of the foreign teaching staff.

What I find absolutely astounding, is the general, overall attitude (among people at large, not just at work) that my time in Japan is limited. "When are you going home?" Well, what makes you think I'm going home? "How long do you plan to work for XYZ?" How about, 'As long as they keep me on staff...' It seems too hard for anyone to swallow that someone would NOT return to their home country within about 3 years of coming to Japan... Yet, I have many friends who have been here for 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and even 30 years! (And who still ARE here, btw). I think that it's this attitude of "All foreigners go home someday" that results in all the troubles we are discussing on this forum. What do you think?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Dog Ate My Keitai wrote:

What I find absolutely astounding, is the general, overall attitude (among people at large, not just at work) that my time in Japan is limited. "When are you going home?" Well, what makes you think I'm going home? "How long do you plan to work for XYZ?" How about, 'As long as they keep me on staff...' It seems too hard for anyone to swallow that someone would NOT return to their home country within about 3 years of coming to Japan... Yet, I have many friends who have been here for 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, and even 30 years! (And who still ARE here, btw). I think that it's this attitude of "All foreigners go home someday" that results in all the troubles we are discussing on this forum. What do you think?


Some people never go home (like me). I hit the 20 year mark in 2 years.

No one ever asks me when I'm going home now, as I have bambinos and wife in tow. Nowadays they just ask if i went back for Golden Week, school vacation etc. Makes a nice change. They are very surprised when I tell them I stayed in Japan and then not so surprised when i tell them what 4 round trip airfare cost.

Last trip "home" was 2 years ago, and even then it was as a tourist. Spent 3 days in my home city, a few days at the beach a couple of hours drive away, and the rest of the time in hotels and travelling around in rental cars. Japan is home for me at the moment- even have a dog to go with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Tsk, tsk. Reply with quote

Probably this isn't going to add any to the discussion but I just have to register my outrage, once again, over Boards of Education making people interview for their own jobs every year and keeping them perpetually on a certificate of employment. Such shoddy treatment only happens where there are no unions to support the individual. Is there any way to join the general union and get a little more protection?

As for University professors also being on 1 or 3-year "contracts", I feel the same way. This is shoddy, pure and simple. That this wouldn't be considered for Japanese staff makes it also xenophobic, as Paul pointed out. Can't English teachers join the union for other professors, assuming there is one, and get a little support?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Tsk, tsk. Reply with quote

J. wrote:
Probably this isn't going to add any to the discussion but I just have to register my outrage, once again, over Boards of Education making people interview for their own jobs every year and keeping them perpetually on a certificate of employment. Such shoddy treatment only happens where there are no unions to support the individual. Is there any way to join the general union and get a little more protection?
?



J. Have a read of the stickie above about Outsourcing and "Gyomu Itaku". Such teachers working for companies like Ziac etc are not treated like employees but as independent contractors i.e they contract themselves out to the employer who sends them on to the client. Because of the way the contract is written officially a dispatch company has no employees, only contractors. For this reason a union has trouble helping individual workers.

What it has done is bring to the BOEs attention that such contracts are illegal and now they are shying away from such tie-ups with dispatch companies. the downside is that ALTs are being thrown out of work and there is massive turnover as companies compete for bids. Teachers get the short end of the stick, as usual.


J. wrote:
PAs for University professors also being on 1 or 3-year "contracts", I feel the same way. This is shoddy, pure and simple. That this wouldn't be considered for Japanese staff makes it also xenophobic, as Paul pointed out. Can't English teachers join the union for other professors, assuming there is one, and get a little support?


A couple of points:

National universities are now privatised under "hojinka" which means they are run like private corporations. they are cutting a lot of dead weight and many formerly tenured Japanese professors are now on 3-5 (or less)year contracts. They dont perform and they are out. Many schools are also doing away with their liberal arts departments and English teachers as they dont make money for the school like the engineering and science departments do that have tie-ups with industry. These have been turned into money-making enterprises (9 billion yen profit this year) and English departments are falling by the wayside.

Private universities are also in bad shape too for foreign teachers. I could write a book about it "from the inside" but i will leave it for another day.

About the unions, universities do have in-house unions but they are basically an old-boys network and foreign teachers are not really welcome to join. Dont know the details but one teacher in Hokkaido wanted to get help from his universities union and they were very cagey about letting him join or make any promises. Most will say unless you have tenure its no-go and a sennin kyoushi (full time contracted teacher) is considered part time in the eyes of the in-house union.

General Union in Osaka has a colleges branch but they have their hands full with problems at individual schools and as yet are not doing anything on a national level, outside the major cities. You really have to set up a chapter in your school and be prepared to take on your school, for the union to support you. Personally i would not expect any support at all from my schools in-house teacher's union.
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