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therock



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Visa options Reply with quote

As I understand, not everybody in Thailand works on a valid work permit. Some do not qualify for one, some employers do not provide one and some people work several part time jobs, so they don't have a employer who is there sponsor.

So if you are not working with a valid working permit, how do you work in Thailand?. I have heard people doing "visa runs" but you only get a month for every stamp. That means if you are planning on staying in Thailand for a year you would have to do 12 visa runs. Not so much the cost, but doing this every month seems like a hassle. Then there is getting a tourist visa for 60 days, once that is up is it easy to get another one straight away? What other options are available if you do not have a valid work permit?
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Hi


First, try to think positive!

Many people do get work permits.

Even without a university degree, it's possible.

Not always easy, but still possible.

One of our regular posters (laura1d) is living proof of that.


If, for some reason, you don't end up with a WP,

there's no need to panic. There are other options;

not totally legal, but certainly widespread. Wink

In my case, I taught for a year on a Non-B visa,

which I was able to get with a simple letter of employment.

With a Non-B, you do the visa-run every 3 months; it's no big deal.


In my second year, I've been doing the visa-run every 30 days,

since I haven't yet decided to commit to another full year in Bangkok,

or maybe head into the countryside for a year or 2.


Re: the visa-run hassle factor:

I mentioned this recently on another thread;

I actually look forward to the visa-run. Shocked

If you hook up with a decent service (which I can recommend)

it's a relaxing afternoon drive through the countryside.

You leave at 10am, and you're back in BKK by 7pm; hassle free.

It's 2,000 Baht, but that includes your Cambodia visa, a hot lunch,

and 2 ten minute potty breaks at a clean rest stop

with a very well-stocked convenience store.


kenkannif may have some other creative ideas for you as well.

He's our resident visa guru, and I'm sure he'll pop in here any minute now.
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kenkannif



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Visa options Reply with quote

therock wrote:
As I understand, not everybody in Thailand works on a valid work permit. Some do not qualify for one, some employers do not provide one and some people work several part time jobs, so they don't have a employer who is there sponsor.


Yep that's the way it is.

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So if you are not working with a valid working permit, how do you work in Thailand?. I have heard people doing "visa runs" but you only get a month for every stamp.


If you can get a multi Non-imm Visa before you come so much the better, that'll give you 15 months of cover (in 90 day intervals). If not a tourist Visa with as many entries on is your best bet (get it in a Western country if at all possible as you'll generally get more entries etc.).

Also Penang does a triple tourist Visa which'll see you good for 9 months (only having to do 2 more runs after the initial application in Penang).

Others are married and either do 3 monthly runs on their multi Non-imm O or extend it with cash.

Others are retired.

Others sign up for a Uni/Thai course and get an extended Non-imm ED.

Others do 30 days runs.

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That means if you are planning on staying in Thailand for a year you would have to do 12 visa runs. Not so much the cost, but doing this every month seems like a hassle.


Not always (as per above).

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Then there is getting a tourist visa for 60 days, once that is up is it easy to get another one straight away?


You're actually entitled (with the Immigration offices approval....and you'd have to give him a good reason to turn you down) to a further 30 day extension on a 60 day tourist Visa (for 1,900 Baht at your local Immigration office).

Yes, you should be able to apply for another afterwards....although it can depend on where you apply.

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What other options are available if you do not have a valid work permit?


See above mate.

All the best and it ain't as bad as all that. I know a few people that look forward to the runs (although often they're married or have a g/f Wink ).
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therock



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice Kent F. Kruhoeffer and kenkannif, its much appreciated.

One question about the visa run, do the immigration officials at the border get suspicious if you have all these Thai entry stamps in your passport? I mean if you did the visa run say 6 months in a row will the immigration officials start asking questions? Or worse reject you from coming into the country? Thats the thought I am having, going on a visa run for my 6th time then at the border the immigration officials are grilling me over why I have been in Thailand for so long.

I think maybe I'll try and get the double or triple tourist visa first up as it gives you longer before doing the visa runs. Does anyone know if its possible to get a double or triple tourist visa in Beijing? One other thing I have 2.5 years experience teaching English in Japan and China, will this experience help me in Thailand in finding a job, getting the work permit?

Kent, what visa run service can you recommend?
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JosephP



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the mid to late 90s when I lived in Songkhla it was common for almost all teachers to do the monthly run to Sadao or to Padang Besar. Not so bad and the cheap ciggies and booze at the duty free were nice to stock up on.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi mate:


Don't worry about doing the visa-run!

Check out this service when and if you need it:

http://www.freewebs.com/quickthaivisa/index.htm (Quick Thai Visa)


For related information (and additional visa services) check out the FAQ

located at the top of the Thai Forum here @ Dave's. Just click on:

The Master Index & TEFL FAQ Thailand, and then scroll down

to FAQ 2.2 for the visa-run links.



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kenkannif



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

therock wrote:
Thanks for the advice Kent F. Kruhoeffer and kenkannif, its much appreciated.

One question about the visa run, do the immigration officials at the border get suspicious if you have all these Thai entry stamps in your passport? I mean if you did the visa run say 6 months in a row will the immigration officials start asking questions? Or worse reject you from coming into the country? Thats the thought I am having, going on a visa run for my 6th time then at the border the immigration officials are grilling me over why I have been in Thailand for so long.


Sometimes they get a little bit funny....but then you just go to a different border next time, but nothing major or worth worrying about.

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I think maybe I'll try and get the double or triple tourist visa first up as it gives you longer before doing the visa runs. Does anyone know if its possible to get a double or triple tourist visa in Beijing? One other thing I have 2.5 years experience teaching English in Japan and China, will this experience help me in Thailand in finding a job, getting the work permit?


It's worth a try to get a double or triple tourist Visa, but I reckon you'll only get a single.

It'll probably help you in doing the job, but has no real reflection on getting a work permit.
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Jared



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenkannif wrote:
therock wrote:
Thanks for the advice Kent F. Kruhoeffer and kenkannif, its much appreciated.

One question about the visa run, do the immigration officials at the border get suspicious if you have all these Thai entry stamps in your passport? I mean if you did the visa run say 6 months in a row will the immigration officials start asking questions? Or worse reject you from coming into the country? Thats the thought I am having, going on a visa run for my 6th time then at the border the immigration officials are grilling me over why I have been in Thailand for so long.


Sometimes they get a little bit funny....but then you just go to a different border next time, but nothing major or worth worrying about.
Okay. So I know now that it's nothing to worry about. However if the customs do ask such questions, how should I respond? And which other border's do people go to? I'm just not sure how the immigration officers would respond if I were to say "Well I'm an English Teacher". That was my only concern.
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JosephP



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm just not sure how the immigration officers would respond if I were to say "Well I'm an English Teacher". That was my only concern.


Go across the border Sunday afternnoon while the kickboxing is on the TV. Most of the immigration guys' attention is on the fight and they'll be looking over their shouders at the match on the goggle box and you will get only a cursory glance and a stamp in your passport. At least that was my experience.
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kenkannif



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jared wrote:
kenkannif wrote:
therock wrote:
Thanks for the advice Kent F. Kruhoeffer and kenkannif, its much appreciated.

One question about the visa run, do the immigration officials at the border get suspicious if you have all these Thai entry stamps in your passport? I mean if you did the visa run say 6 months in a row will the immigration officials start asking questions? Or worse reject you from coming into the country? Thats the thought I am having, going on a visa run for my 6th time then at the border the immigration officials are grilling me over why I have been in Thailand for so long.


Sometimes they get a little bit funny....but then you just go to a different border next time, but nothing major or worth worrying about.
Okay. So I know now that it's nothing to worry about. However if the customs do ask such questions, how should I respond? And which other border's do people go to? I'm just not sure how the immigration officers would respond if I were to say "Well I'm an English Teacher". That was my only concern.


Well that would be a tad silly.

If you were a tourist what would you say? Say that then Wink

Or do as Joseph suggests.

Although (but this might have changed as it's been a bit different at Cambodia recently) a lot of the Visa services do/did guarantee (kind of) that you'd not be asked any tricky questions.

The border depends (generally) on where you're living etc. Most people in Bangkok go to Cambodia (although I know some that go to Burma). Chiang Mai generally seem to do Laos (I think). If you was down South then Malaysia would be your best bet (although with the cheap flights available it's relatively cheap and easy to go to Singapore, or fly from Bangers to Malaysia etc.).
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Jared



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks kenkannif + josephP Just 2 more questions. Are the street signs in Bangkok and other cities bilingual in english and Thai? Also, is it easy for a foreigner to find a girlfriend in Thailand? Just thought I'd ask. See ya.
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kenkannif



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah mostly the street signs are in both English and Thai. Although I suppose some of the smaller cities might not have them (I don't get out much).

It's easy to find girls here mate, girlfriends well....some people seem to find it easy, some people get utterly ripped off etc.

I'd say come over, spend some time and what happens happens.
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