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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:18 am    Post subject: Know Your Rights in Taiwan Reply with quote

Know Your Rights as a Teacher in Taiwan

It is often suggested within the forum here at Dave's ESL Cafe that foreign teachers don't have rights. However, foreign teachers in Taiwan have the same rights as local workers in many regards. The biggest difference between working here and working back home is that you really need to know what your rights are and you often need to actively pursue these rights through the relevant authorities. Anyone who has been in Taiwan for any length of time will know how inactive some staff within the local authorities can be, but if you are well prepared and well informed it is generally not too difficult to get the required assistance.

I. General Labour Rights Information

Most of the employment rights that pertain to foreign teachers can be found within the Employment Services Act and the Labor Standards Law. Teachers are encouraged to familiarize themselves with these documents. There is a toll free number with help in English for labor complaints at 0800-885885 anywhere in Taiwan.

Some rights that you want to look for include:

Arrow You have the right to be provided with a version of the Chinese
employment contract you sign translated into your native language.
Arrow You have the right to know your pay rate and hour requirement and these should be stated in your contract of employment.
Arrow You have the right to a copy of that contract.
Arrow You have the right to be employed legally and free from the requirement to work illegally.
Arrow You should not pay any deposit, bond, or fee upfront to prevent you from running away.
Arrow You should be provided with a work permit, resident visa, and ARC within about a month of commencing work with your employer.

The Bureau of Employment and Vocational Training is the government agency tasked with ensuring that the rights of foreign workers in the work place are not impinged upon. This agency has some English speaking staff and established channels available for foreign workers who are seeking advice or assistance with work related problems here in Taiwan. Although much of the information given out by that organization relates to the rights of Taiwan's foreign blue collar workers, the majority of the information has applicability to foreign English teachers in Taiwan. Despite all of the above, problems do occur, and this is where the Counseling and Service Centers established by the The Bureau of Employment and Vocational Training become necessary.

There are a few things to bear in mind when making a labor complaint:

1. Please be aware that no matter how serious your problem may be, there are likely to be other workers whose problems are equally or possibly even more serious. When one considers the relatively poor treatment often afforded to our fellow foreigners, the blue collar workers from South East Asia, often the problems faced by foreign teachers pale into insignificance. Without wanting to trivialize what ever problem it may be that you have, please bear in mind that the staff who deal with labor complaints are under a good deal of stress. If you remain polite and understanding then it is more likely that you will be able to get your case heard, and action taken.

2. Prepare as much documentation about the case at hand as you can and put all of this in chronological or some other logical order. It much easier for a third party to review a case if they can view paperwork pertaining to what you are claiming. Copies of your employment contract, pay slips, and any correspondence between yourself and your employer are particularly relevant documents, and copies of these should be kept in a safe place.

3. Decide upon which issues are most important to you and list these in order of importance. You are probably more likely to receive a favorable outcome if you concentrate on issues that either you know that you can prove through documentation, or particularly serious infractions that you feel need to be brought to the attention of the authorities. Be concise when outlining your problem and stick to the facts that you know. Avoid discussing matters that are hearsay or that relate to other workers in that employer's employ and don't overcomplicate the issue with erroneous information. Let others fight their own battles if they so wish, but don't ruin your chances of receiving a fair hearing by overburdening the authorities with information about situations that don't directly pertain to your case.

4. Be thoughtful and respectful of the individuals giving their time to you. Remember that they are an independent person and that if they can't agree that you have a case to be heard then either you don't have one and you need to accept this, or you haven't explained things concisely and clearly enough for them to be understood. Be patient and don't become emotional or else you run the risk of looking unreasonable.

5. Be honest and don't exaggerate to make things appear worse than they are. It is often going to be in your favor to acknowledge the good things that your employer does, and in doing this in no way do you diminish your case.

For further details about pursuing your labor rights in Taiwan or lodging a complaint against your employer please visit Filing a Labor Bureau Complaint This page lists all of the contact details for Labor Offices and Foreign Workers Counseling centers in Taiwan.

II. General Visa Information

Landing visas are available to most westerners upon arrival in Taiwan without the need to pre-arrange a visa. Landing visas are also known as visa free entry and may have a validity of 14-30 days. The problem is that they are not renewable, not extendable, and cannot be changed for any other type of visa within Taiwan.

Visitors visas are available by application to the Taiwan Economic and Cultural Offices (TECO) in most capital cities around the world. They are generally either 30 or 60 days in duration and may be issued for tourism, visiting friends or relatives, or for studying Chinese. Most foreign teachers arrive in Taiwan on a 60 day visitors visa for the purposes of tourism as they are readily exchangeable into a resident visa within Taiwan and without the need to undertake a visa run. You are not permitted to work on a visitors visa, but you can look around getting your bearings and deciding where you would like to live and work. Once you find a job your employer can sponsor you for a resident visa for the purposes of living and working in Taiwan.

Resident visas are the visas that are the basis for long term stays in Taiwan. In order to work legally in Taiwan you will need to obtain a resident visa. These are only available to foreigners who have been given a work permit to work in Taiwan. Although you can apply for and receive a resident visa from an overseas TECO office provided that you have all of the relevant paperwork, it is generally best to make these arrangements in Taiwan as the system is set up in this manner.

Business visas are by their very name for business people who make short visits to Taiwan on a regular basis. You cannot legally work as a teacher on a business visa and it seems unlikely that a business visa can be changed to any other type of visa within Taiwan.

III. Airline Ticket Information

According to the policies of major airlines, and the Immigration Act here in Taiwan, all foreign national entering Taiwan must have proof of onward travel out of Taiwan. This can be in the form of a return ticket back home, or simply an outbound ticket to Hong Kong. It is certainly possible to arrive in Taiwan on a one way, but it is equally possible to get turned away from immigration in Taiwan if you don't comply with the outbound ticket requirements. For a comprehensive discussion of ticketing requirements have a look at the article titled Return ticket requirements for entry into Taiwan

IV. Teaching English Legally

In order to be a legal teacher in Taiwan you will need to first meet the requirements of the government here. These requirements include:

a) Being a resident of a country determined by the government here to be a native English speaking country. These currently include the US, UK, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, and South Africa.

b) Holding at least a Bachelors degree from an accredited tertiary instiution or a diploma plus TESOL certification. You will need the original diploma certificates, copies and transcripts are not acceptable.

c) A valid health certificate which is best obtained here in Taiwan.

If you meet all of these requirements and receive a job offer from a school then you can begin the process of attaining the right to work legally here. The steps in the process are:

1. Get a work permit: the school will apply for this on your behalf and it currently takes around 10-14 days for the school to get this document. It is a letter written in Chinese that contains both your name and the name of the employer that you are permitted to work for. If the school you are working for takes longer than two weeks to obtain this document for you then you should contact the Council of Labor Affairs (CLA) to ensure that the school has the right to employ foreign teachers.

2. Get a resident visa: once you have the work permit in hand you need to take it, your contract with the school, and your passport along to the Bureau of Consular Affairs to get a resident visa in your passport. This generally takes around 10 days to get and is a sticker placed in your passport.

3. Get an Alien Resident Certificate (ARC): once you have your resident visa you have 7 days to go to the relevant Foreign Affairs Police (FAP) station to get an ARC. It normally takes from three to seven days to get the ARC. The ARC is a card that acts as your photo ID while in Taiwan. It is a requirement under the law that you carry it with you at all times. The ARC states the name of the employer that you are legally entitled to work for, and you cannot legally work for any employer other than the one named on your ARC.

What work in Taiwan is illegal for foreign teachers?

Any work, paid or unpaid, for any person other than the employer/s named on your ARC is deemed to be illegal work. This includes unpaid volunteer work, music performances, the teaching of private students, and of course work at other schools. It is possible to add more than one employer to your ARC but each new employer must first obtain a work permit for you and you must take the work permit to the FAP to update your ARC.

At this point in time foreign teachers cannot legally work in kindergartens in Taiwan regardless of whether or not the kindy job offers you a work permit.

Teachers being offered positions within government schools (elementary, junior or senior high schools) should take extra care to ensure that they are being employed legally. With the exception of a government initiative being offered at selected schools through the Ministry of Education (MOE) foreign teachers are not permitted to work in government schools in Taiwan.

How do I know if I'm working illegally?

You can only legally work for the employer named on your ARC. If you compare the Chinese name of your employer as stated on your ARC with the Chinese name of the employer as stated on the certificate of business registration hung on a wall in the school, they should match. If they don't then you may want to investigate this as it is likely that you are not working legally.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To summerise - you have very few rights - and any right to have a hearing for appeal in a biased governmental instrument requires time and a chinese speaking/reading/writing friend - all at your expense while you get entangled with bereaucracy.
At the end of the day its the fact that people come here so desperate for money that they are willing to let themselves be treated badly in working situations that are quite outrageous that has created the status quo in Taiwan - that of confrontation and distrust between employer and employee - a sad state of affairs...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramakentesh wrote:
To summerise - you have very few rights - and any right to have a hearing for appeal in a biased governmental instrument requires time and a chinese speaking/reading/writing friend - all at your expense while you get entangled with bereaucracy.
At the end of the day its the fact that people come here so desperate for money that they are willing to let themselves be treated badly in working situations that are quite outrageous that has created the status quo in Taiwan - that of confrontation and distrust between employer and employee - a sad state of affairs...


My hero !!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramakentesh wrote:
To summerise - you have very few rights - and any right to have a hearing for appeal in a biased governmental instrument requires time and a chinese speaking/reading/writing friend - all at your expense while you get entangled with bereaucracy.
At the end of the day its the fact that people come here so desperate for money that they are willing to let themselves be treated badly in working situations that are quite outrageous that has created the status quo in Taiwan - that of confrontation and distrust between employer and employee - a sad state of affairs...


What do you base this comment upon?

How long have you been in Taiwan?

What experience/s do you have with government authorities and in pursuing your rights here in Taiwan?

Judging by the lack of information in your post my best guess is that you have no experience at all and just base your opinion upon the bitter attitude that you have developed over the last couple of months on this board.

I base my comments about our rights upon my own personal experiences over the last decade in Taiwan, and the fact that I have successfully appealed against employers who have done the wrong thing. I know that newbies are always seeking such information so I posted it here all in one place. All of the appeals can be done in English and without the need for Chinese language ability and in fact I can attest this to be true from my own personal experiences.

Ramakentesh, you mention in another thread that you are bored with my posts, but really it is you who is boring as you follow me around this board posting comments that disagree with my own, yet failing to give any reason for your comments. I think that you really need to re-evaluate your suitability to Taiwan as the negativity in your posts on this forum is indicative of someone who is not having a very good time here.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'yet failing to give any reason for your comments'

What do you mean reason? My reasoning is that your painting a picture which is far from the reality of what ESL work in taiwan is like.

I dont need to demonstrate anything - most people when they arrive will find it very similar to how I feel. And I know this to be the case.
I am being negative - because compared to other asian countries that Ive been to this experience has by-in-large been negative.

The schools in general - and there are some good employers and we were lucky enough to find them because we had the financial resources to take our time to do so - are by in large confrontational and willing to basically screw ESL teachers here and if people think that the bureaucracy or governmental avenues for appeal are willing to look at your situation impartially when they do, you will be sadly dissappointed.

Im not doubting the fact that if you persuede some situations for long enough you could get a favourable outcome but I dont think its worth it.
Most people dont -

As for telling to leave. I dont need you to provide me with guidance on what I should do or how I should live my life. I would rather spend my time telling people what its really like in taiwan...

Taiwan would have been nice in the past - my friend tells me that it was - but you get westerners over here willing to put up with shit and the inevitable result is that the schools expect people to put up with it...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. A wordsmith of truth.
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramakentesh wrote:
My reasoning is that your painting a picture which is far from the reality of what ESL work in taiwan is like.


I am not painting a picture of anything. I am merely posting what I know to be true from my own personal experiences over the last decade, and the experiences of others who I have spoken with about their personal experiences. Add to this the legislative background to what I say, and the discussions that I have had with the various authorities here and you can see where my opinion comes from.

So where does your opinion come from. From my understanding this is your first time in Taiwan and you have been here now for a couple of months.I assume then that you haven't been in contact with any of the authorities in any official capacity and that you have not been through the processes that I mention above as far as appeals etc.So in other words you have no experience with the rights processes that I refer to above.

This begs the question - How is that you feel so qualified to suggest that what I have stated as being our rights here is incorrect?

ramakentesh wrote:
I dont need to demonstrate anything


I think that you meant to write 'I can't demonstrate anything'.

ramakentesh wrote:
I am being negative - because compared to other asian countries that Ive been to this experience has by-in-large been negative.


And how many schools is that you have had experiences with in the couple of months that you have been here?

Look you are entitled to your negative views on Taiwan but this does not validate your suggestion that we have no rights here. We do. I have clearly outlined these, and if you disagree then you need to show why these rights do not exist.

ramakentesh wrote:
The schools in general - and there are some good employers and we were lucky enough to find them because we had the financial resources to take our time to do so - are by in large confrontational and willing to basically screw ESL teachers here and if people think that the bureaucracy or governmental avenues for appeal are willing to look at your situation impartially when they do, you will be sadly dissappointed.


And again, just for clarification, you are basing this upon your two months experience in Taiwan and your experience with a handful of schools and the anecdotal evidence of your friends? Is that right?

I based my opinions upon my own personal experiences over the last decade. Through my work I have had involvement with approximately 3,000 private buxibans. I have personally visited many but not all of these schools, and have researched them as extensively as possible. It has become clear to me that there are a handful of schools that should clearly be avoided, and these can be seen here.

Just for clarification. What do you base your opinions on?

ramakentesh wrote:
Im not doubting the fact that if you persuede some situations for long enough you could get a favourable outcome but I dont think its worth it.


I don't agree that you necessarily need to persevere with positions, but more correctly that you need to give them a fair go. Importantly if a school doesn'toffer you a deal that you are happy with then you need to move on and find another more suitable position. Don't bitch and moan about what you didn't get. Go out and get it.

ramakentesh wrote:
Taiwan would have been nice in the past - my friend tells me that it was - but you get westerners over here willing to put up with *beep* and the inevitable result is that the schools expect people to put up with it...


You seem to place a lot of importance on the opinions of your friends.I suspect that you also place a lot of importance on the opinions of other users of this forum that reflect your own negative views of Taiwan.

Why not put all of this aside and develop your own opinion of life here? Why not move past experiences that you saw as being unfair when you arrived (and that I have suggested were misunderstandings) and give the country and it's people a fair go? Surely any decision by you to base your whole Taiwan experience around a couple of early surprises is going to ensure that you do not enjoy your time here. Get over it and look at things with an open mind. This is the only way that you are going to truely know what Taiwan has to offer.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Chinese on Taiwan have the right to be lied to, cheated, robbed and generally abused by the racist Taiwanese overlords and their cronies.
We also have the right to be summarily charged and sentenced at the same time without the right of appeal.
You have the right to leave Taiwan if you ask nicely or ordered to do so.
These are the rights granted to you by the occupational government on the island of Taiwan.
Naruwan, Taiwan touch your heart!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again your putting words in my mouth Clark - because I told you about two experiences that I have had here you presume that my entire opinion is based on those two experiences and its not.
Why do you presume to think that I am so narrow minded? Because you dont agree with me?

How long does a person have to assert their rights if their employer sacks them without notice and their ARC is revoked and they are no longer entitled to stay in the ROC?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramakentesh wrote:
Again your putting words in my mouth Clark - because I told you about two experiences that I have had here you presume that my entire opinion is based on those two experiences and its not.


So correct me if I am wrong, but from my understanding of what you have posted on this forum, you have been in Taiwan for a few months, you have interviewed at a few schools one of which offered you the minimum rate of pay for teachers based upon the interview and demo class you gave them, you have worked at one school during your time here, and you spend your free time drinking with your mates who also like to drink. Please point out specifically what is wrong with this synopsis?

Assuming that I am correct, or even partially correct, then I believe that my question is valid. I have outlined the rights of foreign teachers as I see them based upon my personal experiences here over a decade, discussions with relevant authorities, and the legislation. What do you base your comments upon - the opinions of your drinking buddies?

ramakentesh wrote:
Why do you presume to think that I am so narrow minded? Because you dont agree with me?


I don't agree with you because you say a lot but you never actually support anything that you say. When questioned you either refuse to answer specific questions about your opinion (e.g. I don't have time to answer those questions, I don't need to justify myself to you etc.), or you refer to the fact that your opinions are based upon what your mates told you at the bar last night.

As I have said before you are entitled to your opinions, but that doesn't make these opinions fact. If they are fact then show everyone this by actually proving a point. You are yet to do this on this forum.

ramakentesh wrote:
How long does a person have to assert their rights if their employer sacks them without notice and their ARC is revoked and they are no longer entitled to stay in the ROC?


The answer to this question has been answered by me many times before, and in fact there is a link to the answer in the very post that you have come here to challenge. It doesn't speak very highly of the validity of your argument if you fail to even do the relevant background research. It is clear to me that the people who claim that we don't have rights here in Taiwan are the very same people who fail to research, and fail to pursue their own rights.

In answer to your question, foreigners can obtain a stay of a deportation order plus a visa extension if they have an appeal in process. There is more than one precedent for this occuring. So, if you have been genuinely treated badly by an employer then the Taiwan government will give you the right to remain here while your case is being heard. That seems pretty fair to me.

Now my advice to you ramankentesh is to stop listening to the boys whinging at the pub and then coming here to regurgitate what they have told you. You would be far better informed if you actually do some independant thinking and research on the matters that you challenge me on. This would enable you to actually answer questions when asked and is really the only way to prove your point.

Despite what I have outlined above you seem to believe that we don't have those rights. I hear you. So now spend a moment to outline your reasons for suggesting that.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me reiterate.
Any and all rights that any idiot may claim you have are tot tally useless when any low ranking government official can have you deported for any reason without any judicial oversight.
You have no rights on Taiwan!
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
Good luck!
A.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
Any and all rights that any idiot may claim you have are tot tally useless when and low ranking government official can have you deported for any reason without any judicial oversight.


Please provide us all with a single case of a foreigner being deported unfairly. Just a single one!

Your posts suggest that it is standard practice and I assume that you base this on something other than your prejudiced opinion of Taiwan, so please let us all see this. Just one single case of a foreigner being deported unfairly.

I know that you can't as none exist. You are full of hot air Aristotle. You have clearly shown this in the past, but I am giving you another chance to support your claims.

Aristotle wrote:
You have no rights on Taiwan!


You don't as you are not even in Taiwan.

The rest of us who are actually here do have rights. I have outlined these quite clearly in this thread. Please explain to us clearly how these rights clearly outlined in the legislation do not actually apply.

I know from my own personal experience that they do apply.

So Aristotle what do you base your claims upon? Have you ever exercised your rights in Taiwan? Or are you commenting based upon your bias against this country? Clearly the latter, but once again I give you a chance to actually support your comments with some examples, sources, or details.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
Any and all rights that any idiot may claim you have are tot tally useless....

Because PAULH originally posted this thread as a "Sticky", should I assume that Aristotle is including PAULH in the category of "idiot"?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: TEFL arguer Reply with quote

Henry_Cowell wrote:
Aristotle wrote:
Any and all rights that any idiot may claim you have are tot tally useless....

Because PAULH originally posted this thread as a "Sticky", should I assume that Aristotle is including PAULH in the category of "idiot"?


Arguing again?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Henry_Cowell wrote:
Aristotle wrote:
Any and all rights that any idiot may claim you have are tot tally useless....

Because PAULH originally posted this thread as a "Sticky", should I assume that Aristotle is including PAULH in the category of "idiot"?


I don't worry about it.

You know that someone has nothing valuable to add to a discussion when they resort to attempting to insult the other party to the discussion.

The fact is that Aristotle makes a lot of claims on this board that are all very critical of Taiwan but he NEVER provides any support for these claims. He can't as his claims are baseless.

Foreigners do have rights in Taiwan and more and more foreigners are enforcing their rights. If Aristotle wants to stick his head in the sand and pretend that these rights don't exist then that is his right, but I don't suspect that many people would follow him in this regard.

Also bear in mind that Aristotle no longer lives in Taiwan and that when he was here he was an advocate for working illegally, so this certainly calls into question what experience he could have possibly had in enforcing his rights. Illegal workers most certainly have limited rights in Taiwan.
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