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Opinion about TEFL International in Zhuhai

 
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taipaishan



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Opinion about TEFL International in Zhuhai Reply with quote

I hope I have the correct froum. I was wondering if anyone here has attended TEFL International-Zhuahi, China? I wanted to here different inpressions on their TEFL program and any experiences, good or bad.
Thanx,
Mike
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kingofdalian



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year I was looking into TEFL training programs in China. I checked out a few and chose the Boland School in Suzhou. It was a good course. You do a lot of work and get to see some of the city at night. From talking to other people it is definately better than the Zhuhai school. Better location and program. I reccomend it to all my friends. Plus you pretty much get your pick of jobs when you graduate. (www.boland-china.com) Good stuff check it out
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Susie



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do yourself a favour, get a Cambridge or Trinity qualification.

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dajiang



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, interesting how people can have such different opinions on some things eh. Smile

I had a great time at Boland, I do feel that they prepared me very well for teaching ESL, not just in China but anywhere.
I don't know about the insurance bit, I had another insurance already, but about the other things I'd like to say it was really very good.

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Also, the optional Chinese language & culture course & exam was misleading in the advertising. The Chinese "teacher" told some of us that we couldn't attend the course because it wouldn't be suitable for us. A few people (3 I think) were allowed to attend the programme but to my knowledge no-one took the exam. nor got a certificate.


I have a completely different experience here. Obviously I don't know how it was when you were there Susie, but when I did the course there Katie and the others went out of their way to accomodate to my wishes. There was one other student besides me (Boland was just starting up at the time), and we both spoke Chinese already. Since we knew all of the things they were supposed to teach us in this 'Chinese language and culture' bit, they arranged a calligraphy class for us, which I really enjoyed.

The reference form was given to us after we had done the exams. I don't think the exam results were influenced at all by what was filled in on the reference forms. Why would they do a thing like that? What's the point?
I've found that Katie and the instructors were very open towards constructive criticism, and I have no reason to believe they would fail someone just because they didn't like their criticism. To say that they do is quite a harsh verdict, and one you can't prove either.

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The CALL component of the course wa s a joke. One of my classmates stood up for that part of the course (one lesson of 45 minutes or so) and told us how he uses computers at his school. Then the teacher said at the end of the session, "Oh, I wanted to tell you all about CALL, but thanks for that input Rob"!


I don't see what's so bad about this comment. You know, if you're unhappy on how much you've learned about some topics I think a very large part of this depends on your own participation. If anything, the course at the Boland school is intensive, and you need to be an active student, asking lots and lots of questions. It's not cheap, so I for one really wanted to get my money's worth and made sure I got the most from each lesson. In the end, I think I got just that.
We have no idea of how you behaved in the class, or about your learning attitude. It's hard for me to accept your criticism on the course if you don't give me a more indepth description of what was lacking in the course that made you feel this way.

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For one of the TEFL student's teaching practice, no students turned up because the trainer hadn't sent out the letters of invitation!


How big is the school now? When I was there there were only a few people around. We had quite a good personal relationship with the instructors, the Chinese staff, Katie of course, and the students. We didn't need letters of invitation to know when there was a teacher practise. Didn't nobody tell you about these things in class? We got the schedule in advance with all the lessons on it, also the time allocated for these teacher practise sessions. I knew exactly what was going on when.

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The heating didn't work in some of the rooms that TEFL students paid for and occupied (sub-zero temperatures).


I had a good room, with a nice bathroom where everything worked. Anyway, I've been in plenty hotels with tourgroups and every now and then something broke. That's unavoidable and not a disaster. What is important is how they dealt with the problem. So, did those students you mentioned get another room? What happened?

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Katie's former partners showed up saying how she was operating illegally, how she lied and cheated on them in their partner business.


Well, do you know how business is conducted in China? Sometimes it gets dirty, and it's often hard to say what is legal, and why. When dealing with local authorities you have to be pretty flexible to survive. I'm saying that you don't know the situation that Katie had to deal with. I don't know either, but I sure as hell wouldn't trust the first alleged Chinese business partner for his word. What you said doesn't mean anything. It could've been a local thug trying to make trouble. It happens, especially when some shady locals see things are going well and money is being made.

As for being Internationally recognised, well... it is. The Boland school has been around for quite a few years in the Czech Republic, where graduates go and work in several countries in Eastern Europe. It's recognised in China, and did wonders for me there.

And finally, I could use my Boland qualification to get into a teaching course at university in Holland. Because of this diploma even got exemptions for certain courses, and I could follow a faster track than the one regular students have to do.

All in all, I don't feel cheated at all. It's been a great experience and I would do it again if I had to.
Mind you, Trinity and Cambridge are great, and you can't go wrong there. But if you find yourself in China, and you want to get TEFL certified, Boland is a good option.

Regards,
Dajiang

PS, to the OP: Sorry I don't know anything about TEFL International in Zhuhai... blame the others for changing the topic Smile
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dajiang



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Susie, I don't get it...

Did you write this on another thread?
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=26048

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There are a couple of TEFL programs going on right now in China. I know of one called The Boland School that is pretty good. They have two locations in Suzhou and Dalian. I went to the Suzhou course last year and found it really helpful not only in preparing me to teach but getting me a job. I still keep in touch with my graduates and they are all doing well. It is a little expensive though so I do not know if many people teaching now in China can afford it. Anyway check it out...

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=26179


Enlighten us please...

Dajiang
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have no personal experience with Boland although I once dealt with the lady by emails and she came across to me as fiercely self-confident (not bad for a businesswoman, but for an instructor...?).

There was a period of transition which I called in some thread "turmoil". I was tipped off by Susie at that time about some troubles; I also heard from someone else that things were looking down for a while.

The fact that Boland had to move house says a thing or two, doesn't it?

I do not wish to arbitrate in this case - TEFL Zhuhai or BOland - but Zhuhai most probably is located in a more attractive part of China. If both certs are of equal value then choose location!
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kingofdalian



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If both certs are of equal value then choose location!


The thing was when I was looking into both courses I found out that some of the trainers and students at Zhuhai are Chinese??? That is what turned me to Boland where all of my trainers were native speakers. I think in terms of quality Zhui hai cannot hold a candle to Boland. As a graduate I have exclusive access to the jobs provided by Boland whereas I was checking out the TEFL international website and anybody can advertise there. I also have heard recently through the Boland network there are schools who offer bonus and higher salaries to Boland graduates only. In terms of location Boland in Suzhou is great. It is close to Shanghai, which I frequented once during the course and then after the course I visited for a week. I say if both locations are of equal value then go with quality.
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Zero Hero



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Susie wrote:
There were no outside examiners to mark a sample of the papers.

If there is no external moderation then no 'certificates' they 'offer' will be recognised by any institutions or serious employers.
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peabocardigan



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero Hero wrote:
Susie wrote:
There were no outside examiners to mark a sample of the papers.

If there is no external moderation then no 'certificates' they 'offer' will be recognised by any institutions or serious employers.


On the other hand, I got a Cambridge CELTA before coming to China and feel that a lot of the stuff I learnt there (not all) is not applicable to Chinese circumstances but more to educational structures as we know them and to countries that try to emulate them (hence NOT China). It's internationally recognized though and still very useful for my work here...
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k-canuck



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a former Boland Tefl-er, I would like to add my "two cents" here. Personally, I found the program to be well-organized - gruelling at times, but well-worth it for the practical knowledge which you come away with from the course. It is definitely worth the money - I believe it goes a much longer way than CELTA in China as the program in Suzhou is catered to the Chinese market. Katie is a remarkable businesswoman, but above all, a remarkable instructor. As for location, Suzhou beats Zhuhai hands down. Yes, it may be milder in the winter in Zhuhai, but Suzhou is leaps and bounds above Zhuhai in terms of culture as well as convenience due to its proximity to Shanghai - yes, Zhuhai is close to Macau and Hong Kong, but at least entering Shanghai from Suzhou doesn't require a trip through Chinese customs. Having lived in Shenzhen, Zhuhai's twin city for a year, I think I'm in a good position to comment on this point.

Lastly, there is some concern over the Boland school having moved locations. Considering that they have moved into a larger and more convenient office in Suzhou, I'm not so certain that such "moves" are necessarily a bad thing, wouldn't you agree?
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qiaohan



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y E S !! I did take the TEFL International course in Zhuhai at GLV and I can recommend it. It is close to the Trinity program - 120 intensive classroom hours, lots of homework, live classroom teaching practice, English corners etc etc and there were only 8 people in the class. Most schools that require a cert will accept an 'equivalent' Cambridge or Trinity cert like this one. Speaking for myself, it has opened more opportunities for me. But sign up early so you can get the time you want.

Stay away from the online diploma mills...
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Debra Gambrill



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:13 am    Post subject: Boland School Reply with quote

I took the Boland School course in Brno and was very pleased. It was intense and I felt somewhat overwhelmed at times, but all in all it was a great experience. I have been teaching for 13 years in Slovakia but wanted a TEFL certificate to get a good summer job. I found the Boland certificate very useful in that I got job offers from China, Mexico and Oman that interested me. I picked Boland because Katie unfailingly responded, at great detail, to the questions I had about her course and TEFL courses in general. Also, I wanted private accommodations, and the school assisted me in getting a reservation for a fabulous apartment. The staff took great care of us, and if I can ever get the money together for another Boland course, I'd do it.
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Plan B



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to bump an old thread..........

I have a Chinese friend who wants to get TEFL certified. The GLV TEFL in Zhuhai is a bit too expensive for him, and they made demands about various English qualifications that he needs.

Are there any other options in or nearby to Zhuhai?

google didn't show up much.
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