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frozenpeas



Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:14 am    Post subject: First time job in turkey... Reply with quote

Hi, I've just completed a celta course and have been offered a job in Turkey - can anyone just tell me whether these stats are ok?

45 hours a week involving 4-5 hours of teaching 6 days a week.
Free accomodation in Istanbul
Free lunches
�800 a month after tax. (�9600 a year)

I see somebody has already put a warning up about Mehmet Agca but they never mentioned why...the guy seems ok to me.

Thanks,
Matt
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tekirdag



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of a 6 day work week. That's not cool. A few months of that and any teacher would be really worn out.
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justme



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

45 hours/week is a LOT, especially if you're a new teacher and will have to spend a lot of time planning. You're looking at no life at all with that. Less than 30 is more realistic...

The pay for that many hours is pretty bad too-- 4.5 pounds per teaching hour, not including checking and prep...

I'd re-negotiate or look elsewhere.
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frozenpeas



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks, I was a little uncertain of the hours - I'll probably look for something else.
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tekirdag



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couldn't 45 hours be the hours that the teacher stays on the premises and not the actually teaching hours? 6 days at 5 hours per day is 30 teaching hours. Although even that is a lot. Many teachers- even Turkish teachers in private schools- work about 25 per week.
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justme



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, you're probably right, tekirdağ-- math skills are not my strong point.

Still, even for 30 contact hours, that pay's not great (6.5 pounds/hour-- I used a calculator!). Or is that what they're starting new people at these days?
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coffeespoonman



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that price sounds about right. With the free accomodation and lunches, that sounds decent--assuming its not 45 hours of teaching time, and that the accomodation is nice. But hourly, 6 and a half pounds is about what you should expect. And it's plenty to live on, if you're not spoiled. Smile
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frozenpeas



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well 45 hours of time in the school amounts to 4.30 an hour...which isnt so good - that and a warning about the guy im dealing with...doesn't sound so inviting really.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow he told me that when he opened he was going to pay teachers the highest rate in Istanbul. Another false promise. Be careful frozenpea.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An afterthought, in my initial proposal, I advised a teachıng week of 25 hours contact and two consecutive days off. Well, I guess I can't accuse him of stealing any of my ideas.
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Baba Alex



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
An afterthought, in my initial proposal, I advised a teachıng week of 25 hours contact and two consecutive days off. Well, I guess I can't accuse him of stealing any of my ideas.

Teachers are so lazy these days.
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bigbadsuzie



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:09 am    Post subject: TEFL TURKEY,PAH Reply with quote

I feel sorry for those two trying to get something like that off the ground in Izmir the apathy is incredible ,I know of no organization in the area thats useful for people in our profession or for expats in general ,shame really ,like others I have contributed to the forum bı-ut it never gets off the ground ,as I said apathy is just everywhere ,considering the number of foreign workers here the social scene is a desert and any info about out of city events is only passed among a favoured who are usually connected with the British council or other elitests grups.
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Mark Loyd



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: TEFL TURKEY,PAH Reply with quote

bigbadsuzie wrote:
I feel sorry for those two trying to get something like that off the ground in Izmir the apathy is incredible ,I know of no organization in the area thats useful for people in our profession or for expats in general ,shame really ,like others I have contributed to the forum bı-ut it never gets off the ground ,as I said apathy is just everywhere ,considering the number of foreign workers here the social scene is a desert and any info about out of city events is only passed among a favoured who are usually connected with the British council or other elitests grups.


If you are not happy why are you here?
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ghost



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:21 am    Post subject: The long and the short of it.... Reply with quote

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Couldn't 45 hours be the hours that the teacher stays on the premises and not the actually teaching hours? 6 days at 5 hours per day is 30 teaching hours. Although even that is a lot. Many teachers- even Turkish teachers in private schools- work about 25 per week.
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Ghost is in a similar situation in Taiwan. It teaches at a Private High School in Taichung, and has to clock in (literally) from 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday. However, during the day, ghost only teaches an average of three to four 45 minute periods in one day, for an average contact time of 3 hours teaching per day....and a total of 12 hours teaching contact time a week...

As long as the teachers complete their weekly lesson plans on time and do their Long Term Unit Plans, then they can pretty much use the rest of the time at school as they please. Some teachers spend time on the Internet, others learn Chinese, others meditate etc....With lunch time etc...the day goes by pretty quickly. It is an easy job, but boring, because Taiwanese students are not very stimulating to work with, being difficult to get them to speak....they just sit there....very passive, in general.

In Taiwan the teachers are paid around $2000-$2500 U.S. per month (tax free) for the priviledge of working the above scenario.

One caveat though - all the teachers at the school Ghost teaches in are Certified Teachers - either from Canada/U.S.A./Australia.

This means they (the teachers) have all gone to Teachers College, and all have at least a B.Ed. or a Post Graduate Degree in Teaching.

CELTAS and all those other pieces of paper will not get you a job here. Not saying the CELTA is bad, but just that to teach at a real school in Taiwan, based on the North American system, you need to be a Certified Teacher, and you will be rewarded (justly so) for having gone through the rigors of that training. This is not the case in Turkey, where a Certified Teacher like Ghost ends up competing with a bunch of people, some of whom have only done a one week TESL Certificate from Joe Schmo College or the like....it makes no difference to the schools in Turkey (the Language schools, and even some Private K-12's).


Ghost in Taichung, Taiwan.
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Mark Loyd



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you Ghost. Anyone can get a teaching job in Turkey and the unqualified drive down pay and conditions for the real teachers.
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