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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: Conversational Terrorism |
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After reading so many wild and crazy posts from all over Dave's ESL I thought some of you might appreciate this:
Conversational Terrorism
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All of the techniques listed in this document have actually been witnessed, told to us by someone else, or dreamed up. They are described in first person for clarity of motive.
The intent of detailing and naming these insidious tactics is so that the reader may AVOID USING THEM, to quickly recognize if someone else is using them, and for fun. There is much humor in the way people (consciously or unconsciously) conversationally cheat.
It is hoped that exposing these tactics will help muzzle the growing abuse in our conversational landscape. Give copies to both perpetrators and victims (only NOT for profit use).
The examples are overblown in an attempt to be both clear and funny. Use your imagination to think of how you (perish the thought) and others have used these techniques in the past.
They have been grouped by major category, with the best (worst!) saved for last.
First, we have the Ad Hominem Variants where you attack the person as a way to avoid truth, science, or logic which might otherwise prove you wrong. Next are the Sleight of Mind Fallacies, which act as "mental magic" to make sure the unwanted subject disappears. Then, we move on to Delay Tactics, which are subtle means to buy time when put on the spot. Then, the ever popular Question as Opportunity ploys, where any question can be deftly averted. Finally, we have the Cheap Shot Tactics and Irritants, which are basically "below the belt" punches.
Ad Hominem Variants
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OVER YOUR HEAD:
"I'd like to respond to that, but taking into account your background, education, and intelligence, I am quite sure that you would not be able to understand."
EVEN YOU:
"My next point will be so cogent that even you will be able to understand it."
"Even you should be able to grasp the next point."
YOU'LL GET OVER IT:
"I used to think that way when I was your age."
"As you mature emotionally (or mentally, or spiritually), you will grow out of your present way of thinking, and you will eventually come around to my point of view."
"You're new here, aren't you?"
WISHFUL THINKING:
Instead of proving a point true or false, this technique tries to imply that the individual's desires have led him/her astray without dealing with the merits of the issue itself. (C.S. Lewis termed this "Bulverism".) Any strong desire can be shown to have tainted a conclusion or clouded objectivity, which casts doubt on the legitimacy of a point. This is very close to the classic ad hominem fallacy: "you say that because you are a man."
"You support capital punishment because of a deep-rooted death wish common among those who have suffered emotional traumas during childhood."
"You oppose capital punishment because of an irrational suppressed death taboo common among those who have suffered emotional trauma during childhood."
"You weren't breast fed as a child, were you?"
Sleight of Mind Fallacies
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NIT-PICKING:
Instead of dealing with a comment or question directly, the idea here is to focus on some insignificant detail to evade the issue or buy time to think.
"We need to define just exactly what you mean by _________."
"Your last sentence ended with a preposition. Please restate it properly."
OUT OF CONTEXT:
A twisted version of NIT-PICKING, the technique here is to purposely misunderstand some word, phrase, or analogy and shift the focus to it instead of the subject. This ploy will derail the other person into a defense of the word, phrase, or analogy instead of the case at hand.
"You said 'feel' instead of 'think'. If you are feeling instead of thinking, I won't be able to convince you with reason."
"You said this happened five years before Hitler came to power. Why are you so fascinated with Hitler? Are you anti-Semitic?"
I'M NOT SAYING THIS:
This is a marvelous way to come off as nice while saying things that would otherwise be considered rude.
"Have I ever brought up the $523.52 you owe me? Never! Have I ever embarrassed you or made you feel bad over it? Have I ever told you how much I need that money? No, I never have."
"I don't care if other people say you're opinionated (or boring or overbearing, or etc.)"
"I don't want to spend a lot of time on this, but (blah, blah, blah...)."
"My dear congregation, I hate to speak of money matters, but (money, money, money, etc.)."
HEAT-SEEKING QUESTION:
The intent here is to throw the other person's competence in doubt while at the same time changing the subject. A question is asked that the other person is not likely to know the answer to, destroying their credibility and confidence. To really rub it in, the questioner can give a full answer to his/her own question proving that him/herself to have superior knowledge of the subject.
"You mentioned the constitution. Can you quote the preamble for us?"
"Do you realize which of the dialectic principles you've just violated?" [ "No."] "I'd be glad to explain them to you, but (branch to OVER YOUR HEAD)."
RIGHT BY ASSOCIATION:
"I have observed that those who disagree with me on the next point tend to be unsophisticated, and those who quickly recognize the validity of the point to be more educated. The point is...."
"Of course there is a lot of debate on this subject, but the best scholars believe..."
Want to read more.... go to... www.vandruff.com/art_converse.html |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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All of these strategies were skillfully practiced by the erstwhile Zero Hero. May she/he rest in peace. |
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stillnosheep

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Cheap Shot!
Then again, why waste the expensive ammunition if the cheap stuff can get the job done just as well! |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:10 am Post subject: |
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A few "isolated" examples for your reading pleasure:
OVER YOUR HEAD
Zero Hero wrote: |
Mind you, what can one expect from someone who lives in the KSA in this day and age? Discussion is not exactly encouraged there, is it? Are women allowed to drive there yet? I thought not.) |
OVER YOUR HEAD
Zero Hero wrote: |
Touchy, touchy. I obviously hit a raw nerve, 'tw'. Still, I did not expect all too many people to actually get the point, and, based on experience, I anticipated that it would go clean over your head. Tell you what, why don�t you go and revise the difference between 'per month' and 'per year'? That should help you pass some of your excessive spare time (and it might help you to stop getting jobs that pay a year what I earn a month). |
OVER YOUR HEAD
Zero Hero wrote: |
It is interesting to see that 'Struelle' is now claiming to have knowledge of the philosophy underlying "basic computer science". He obviously covered a lot of material on his CELTA course.
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NIT-PICKING and HEAT-SEEKING
Zero Hero wrote: |
burnsie wrote: |
My wife who is Chinese and has alot of contacts and has brought alot of students my way. |
Let us hope you don't attempt to teach them relative clauses or the spelling of 'a' and 'lot'. |
SUPERCILIOUS AD HOMINEM
Zero Hero wrote: |
I earn $30,000 HK a month, whereas you most likely earn no more than 9,000 RMB a month (and probably vastly less)... I have prospects, and you have to dream of some form of miracle revaluation so as to convince yourself you are actually getting anywhere in life. |
And one of the latest, from Transvaal himself:
NIT-PICKING and HEAT-SEEKING
Transvaal wrote: |
No one with even a modicum of knowledge of computer science would say that it is possible to do "programming" in HTML. You can input HTML (the 'M' stands for 'mark up'), but you can't do any "programming". |
Yet we find the following books for sale today. Surely their authors have more than a modicum of knowledge of so-called computer science?
Weaving a Website: Programming in HTML, Java Script, Perl and Java, by Susan Anderson-Freed (Prentice Hall, 2001)
The HTML Programming Example Book, by Edward Farrar, Farrar (Wordware Publishing, 1997)
HTML Programming Made Simple, Lilian Hobbs (1999)
Beginning Web Programming with HTML, XHTML, and CSS, by Jon Duckett Wrox (Wrox Beginning Guides, 2004)
HTML & JavaScript Programming Concepts, Karl Barksdale and E. Shane Turner (1999)
Introduction to Extensible HTML: Scripting and Programming using xHTML (Althos Publishing, 2004)
Note that Zero Hero�s source (a nobody, of course) writes the following: �It might be argued that a presentational markup language is an interpreted programming language. And it is true that the concepts "programming language" and "program" are somewhat vague�This makes things somewhat relative.�
So the source (one very obscure nobody named Jukka "Yucca" Korpela) and Zero Hero are both nitpickers of the highest order. Should we say that they are in the �upper echelons� of nitpicking?  |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: |
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The man himself
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Boy Wonder

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Clacton on sea
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Looks like a good, solid, upright citizen of the free world! |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Rasputin was a citizen of the "free world"?? |
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Boy Wonder

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Clacton on sea
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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And the topic of a great Boney M former number One.
Sorry Henry I was unaware that Rasputin had arisen from the ashes but if you say it's him then i'll take your word for it!! |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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That's actually Zero's Hero Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, the neatest norwegian (or finest fin?) ever to comment on HTML. I shoulda posted a caption.
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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All of these strategies were skillfully practiced by the erstwhile Zero Hero. May she/he rest in peace. |
I would have called that an ad hominem variant, but I see that Henry Cowell has done his or her research, and can back it up. It ain't ad hominem if it can be proved. (And it's not paranoia if they are out to get you!)
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If that is the case then perhaps you could furnish the forum with an example. Just one, isolated, example will do. I challenge you to do so (though will not be holding my breath). |
Is this a heat seeking question?
Regards,
Justin |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Justin Trullinger wrote: |
Is this a heat seeking question? |
Yes, Justin. He sought the heat and then ran screaming out of the kitchen, never to be heard from again.  |
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