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dmb



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: 1-1 Vs class Reply with quote

For some unknown reason my boss spent about 3 hours in the office this afternoon, so I had to look as if I was busy.

I looked through some old files deciding what stuff to throw or not needed.
anyway I was looking at student grades over the past 18 months or so.

Since last April I have only taught 1-1. Probably in that time I've had about 15-20 different students. Their exams results were quite impressive. Pretty much every student passed exams with 80%+.

Why?

If students take private lessons are they more likely to succeed rather than if they were in a class of say 8-12.

Are they more motivated?

Can we, as teachers, concentrate on an individual learners goals? and aid them more?

or......

Or have I just been lucky in having intelligent hardworking students.

Any thoughts?
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Niste



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb, I was thinking about exam results myself today -my students did appallingly in the CELS exams that they took at Higher level. All but two got a fail in the writing part, and the two that didn't fail outright got something called a narrow fail Rolling Eyes . As any reasonably conscientious teacher would, i'm inclined to blame myself Sad
And on reflection it probably was indeed my fault as I didn't give them enough timed practice or homework. But it never crossed my mind that the reason was class numbers (there were 16).
It's hard to give you a sensible response without knowing about the place you work and the type of students you had, but a privvy student is bound to get more specifically-tailored attention than one of a bunch, however much differentiation goes in to a whole class. Or did you prepare them with exam-identical questions beforehand a la many EC / Dilko / Gok-dil teachers ?
Anyway, tebrikler on your / their good results.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am totally against teaching towards an exam in general English programs. Sure, things like a TOEFL prep class is different.

But when you teach 1-1 you can, some would say chat, for 10 minutes but during that 'chat' the teacher takes notes and gives delayed f/b after. It maybe a new grammar point, a representation, vocab input, pron, etc. But because there is only 1 student the teacher is 100% focused on the one student. I try to do delayed f/b in classes but when you have 8 pairs of students doing an activity it is impossible to pick up on everything, so is it worth the extra money for 1-1 private tuition?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
I am totally against teaching towards an exam in general English programs. Sure, things like a TOEFL prep class is different.

But when you teach 1-1 you can, some would say chat, for 10 minutes but during that 'chat' the teacher takes notes and gives delayed f/b after. It maybe a new grammar point, a representation, vocab input, pron, etc. But because there is only 1 student the teacher is 100% focused on the one student. I try to do delayed f/b in classes but when you have 8 pairs of students doing an activity it is impossible to pick up on everything, so is it worth the extra money for 1-1 private tuition?

hmmm, but I one of those teachers who hate 1-1. I find that students advance quicker commucatively if they have more unaided practice. I think that a good student can get better fluency in a class than 1-1. BUt that's probably not what your after if it's writting I suppose.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but I one of those teachers who hate 1-1. I find that students advance quicker commucatively if they have more unaided practice. I think that a good student can get better fluency in a class than 1-1. BUt that's probably not what your after if it's writting I suppose.
I used to hate 1-1 and didn't teach them for over a decade. However I now like it. I have a different approach. I just see myself as the other student in pairwork activity.

And.... this applies to all teaching.1-1 or classes. Don't be afraid of silence. students need thinking time before speaking, they need to organise thoughts. In a 1-1 class this is very true. Students don't like silence and , guess what they will speak.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
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but I one of those teachers who hate 1-1. I find that students advance quicker commucatively if they have more unaided practice. I think that a good student can get better fluency in a class than 1-1. BUt that's probably not what your after if it's writting I suppose.
I used to hate 1-1 and didn't teach them for over a decade. However I now like it. I have a different approach. I just see myself as the other student in pairwork activity.

And.... this applies to all teaching.1-1 or classes. Don't be afraid of silence. students need thinking time before speaking, they need to organise thoughts. In a 1-1 class this is very true. Students don't like silence and , guess what they will speak.

Hey , you're probably right. To be honest I'm just enjoying NOT teaching at the moment
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did you swing that?
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Baba Alex



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
How did you swing that?

You can swing anything if you're dope enough.

(sorry I'm listening to Evil 9 right now)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(sorry I'm listening to Evil 9 right now)
No probs bro' I couldn't resist at least one click on the shadow link I posted on the men thread. Although it seems to be only samples not full chunes. But I will look further into it. It keeps jumping from track to track.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer teaching classes (max 14 in my school) because I get a buzz out of it, but that's selfish. Probably the success rate is higher with 1-1 because you can tailor make the classes.

I like what you say about silence but I think another factor also comes into play - in a TEFL class we are taught to keep teacher talking time to a minimum to allow our students to speak, however, we are also a model of the language, so being paired with your student allows them maximum exposure to correct English (which can be rephrased, simplified etc as appropriate), thus the individual student hears the best model all the time.

Some students respond better to a class environment though. Personality has a play, too.

Congratulations on the success rate. Keep up the good work!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You speak good sense FGT thank you.
Also thanks for getting back on topic.
I can't even stay on topic on threads that I start. baba is a bad influence Wink

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because I get a buzz out of it
I know what you mean. I miss it.(Don't tell my boss, our secret FGT)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
You speak good sense FGT thank you.
Also thanks for getting back on topic.
I can't even stay on topic on threads that I start. baba is a bad influence Wink

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because I get a buzz out of it
I know what you mean. I miss it.(Don't tell my boss, our secret FGT)


hmmmm Rolling Eyes looks like I've been using the internet after a few beers again.
(I had an Efes Extra as a treat last night, because my wife was going to a boat party that I couldn't make)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been using the internet after a few beers again.
I'm quite restrained after I get back from the pub on a friday/Saturday night and tend(not always though) not to post.
Probably because I think I've spoken enough c.rap already for the evening.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
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I've been using the internet after a few beers again.
I'm quite restrained after I get back from the pub on a friday/Saturday night and tend(not always though) not to post.
Probably because I think I've spoken enough c.rap already for the evening.

We've just had broadband connected at home.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tell the better half that your checking your email and you'll be 5 minutes. She'll fall asleep then you stay up for hours downloading, etc to your hearts content. In the morning, after you have had an only hour sleep. Feign illness then spend half the day in bed.
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