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Mideatoo · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:38 am Post subject: EF STOP RIGHT NOW!

EVERYONE STOP, OR DO NOT INTEND TO WORK FOR ANY �E.F.�

I AM SICK AND TIRED TO READ ALL YOUR WINNING TITLE POSTS ABOUT EF!

(goood enough for now)

Don McChesney · Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 656

Well said, mideatoo

edwinagirl · Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 68 Location: beijing

Can you re-write this in English?

Roger · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138

Sorry to rain on your party, but I happen to know some that have had absolutely positive experiences working for one of the various EF franchises.

jg · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject:

Do you have enough left to roll one for me?

edwinagirl · Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 68 Location: beijing

'Absolutely positive"? Whoa, that's pretty damn positive!

KES · Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 722

To the OP:

1. Try simply ignoring posts that offend you (if this is indeed what you are attempting to communicate).

2. Although English appears to obviously not be your native language, (and there is nothing wrong with that) perhaps a little more attention to its application could make your intent more clear.

Mideatoo · Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:

Midlothian Mapleheart · Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Elsewhere

Edited to remove offensive content.

Middy

Noelle · Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 361 Location: USA

Cute, MM.

Roger · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138

Mideatoo,
I wish you could find it in you to be as great as you are old (judging by one post somewhere in which you intimated something to the effect that you are no longer in your 20ies).
I have NEVER held down a position in any EF!

But for all those misanthrops who vilify anyone who has anything positive to report: sometimes the bad vibes originate with the job holders themselves!

Personally I know one Aussie guy who has only been here 3 months and who is happy with his temp job he had with EF. I know of others too.

I am not discrediting those who have their own bad stories - i.e. EF Huizhou.

chadpearson · Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 9 Location: CHINA

There's nothing wrong with EF. Roger, those Huizhou postings are a crock of you know what. I'm here in Huizhou right now and it's fine. All the teachers were taken out for lunch for teachers day on Sunday and next week our boss is taking us to an amusement park in Shenzhen. Sounds pretty horrible, doesn't it?

I'm earning 7,500 yuan a month in a city where I can have great lunch for 10 yuan and a decent one for 5. I just don't understand what all the complaining is about.

EF in Qingdao was fine too, I stayed for over two years. Our CM Jimmy threw keg parties at his apartment and the beach. The school was a fun place to work.

I don't know what some of you people expect from China, but I don't think you are going to find it. Maybe it's time to go home?

Keath · Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:

Chad,

If you aren't new to China then you are definately new to EF and Huizhou.. You keep in touch.. We'll see how well your attitude is in a few months when they find some reason to terminate your position and somehow its all your fault and you have to pay 10,000 to get out of your contract..

The information on Huizhou isnt a crock.. If something walks like a duck, talks like a duck.. Its gotta be a duck.. There's more than just a few people complaining about that place and its not like a bunch of people decided to team up on EF Huzhou. You just inquire a little deeper and you'll find this organization is seething with a long standing tradition of corruption.

Enjoy the side of face you're getting now.. Life and circumstance will reveal itself..

PS> 7,500 RMB!!! How many hours are you working each week? 39 - 40 at least is my guess. Compare that with someone who makes 5,000 working 16 periods with a contractually gauranteed 150 RMB/ Per hour overtime. What is your overtime rate? I know Huizhou's contract, its 80 RMB isn' it? Good luck with that!

Of course money isnt everything, but there has to be something said of ethics and exploitation. People who choose to work for such a wage are really volunteers. But ask yourself what are you really volunteering for - the education of Chinese students? You are teaching affluent children there and putting food on Lucy Li's table. That is all. Your wage is small token for your labor.

Keith

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

First of all, the EF is one hell of a big company. It is not so bad at all. On the other hand, the EF English First, which is mostly the subject of forums’ discussions, is a “sister” organization that has been created in 1990s and predominantly managed from China (Shanghai’s Head Office) is one hell of a big mess as a company. So, the owner is the same person, although the management is not. This is just for the record guys.

Chris_Crossley · Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: No proper DoS for 16 MONTHS!