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hip-hop boy78



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Dave's eslcafe vs. Gaijinpot Reply with quote

It's becoming apparent that the teaching/education forum on gaijinpot is a lot more active and even interesting than this one. Would anyone care to speculate as to why that might be? I don't think recent events have anything to do with it, since gaijinpot have also deleted threads that harm advertisers on that site and they've even banned some people from posting. Which site do you prefer browsing? And why?
I check out both from time to time though it seems that there is far more interesting debate and discussion going on 'over there' compared to here.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Dave's eslcafe vs. Gaijinpot Reply with quote

hip-hop boy78 wrote:
It's becoming apparent that the teaching/education forum on gaijinpot is a lot more active and even interesting than this one. Would anyone care to speculate as to why that might be? I don't think recent events have anything to do with it, since gaijinpot have also deleted threads that harm advertisers on that site and they've even banned some people from posting. Which site do you prefer browsing? And why?
I check out both from time to time though it seems that there is far more interesting debate and discussion going on 'over there' compared to here.


a lot more trolls over there if you like that kind of thing. Me, I tend to bring out the worst in some of them. Like flies to a dungheap.


PS you dont even have to mention school names on GP. Simply criticise Ueber (the moderator) for deleting posts or mention their practices and he will delete that too.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Dave's eslcafe vs. Gaijinpot Reply with quote

hip-hop boy78 wrote:
It's becoming apparent that the teaching/education forum on gaijinpot is a lot more active and even interesting than this one. Would anyone care to speculate as to why that might be? I don't think recent events have anything to do with it, since gaijinpot have also deleted threads that harm advertisers on that site and they've even banned some people from posting. Which site do you prefer browsing? And why?
I check out both from time to time though it seems that there is far more interesting debate and discussion going on 'over there' compared to here.


Forgot to mention that GP edits out and deletes links to their competition from posts.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inertia. If there are more interesting threads on GP, for whatever historical reason , people will post there more often and so the situation will tend to continue.

Also many people teaching English In Japan do not define themselves primarily as English teachers but are mainly interested in Japan. So they feel happier on a site dedicated to Japan, rather than to EFL teaching in general but may contribute to a teaching post if it looks interesting.

Many people check out both sites and just respond to whatever threads interest them. GP seems to have more trolls but they tend to stay away from the teaching threads.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would prefer to see more posts about teaching but I don`t see much on this board. But on Gaijinpot I do.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks,
What would you like to see that isn't already covered in the FAQs and stickies, plus the dozens of pages of previous posts, plus the teacher forum?
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madeira



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not many people read FAQs or stickies on any site; I guess they seem old. I don't pay attention to anything over a year old, as far as info about jobs/schools goes.

Gaijinpot has a wider purview and many more posters. It's much easier and faster to become a member, too. So, it gets more trolls, but also more regular-type members.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madeira wrote:
Not many people read FAQs or stickies on any site; I guess they seem old. I don't pay attention to anything over a year old, as far as info about jobs/schools goes..


Madeira

It is standard practice on Daves for posters not to post info on jobs including job links as it becomes a kind of free advertising. People object to paying for ads and then see someone post a free link in the general forums when they are looking for a teacher. Of course, thats not my department anymore.

I tried to keep things up to date as much as possible in the stickies, can only post what people send me or I find myself but you forget that most of us (Glenski and I in particular)) also have full time jobs, busy lives and families as well. Schools dont actually change their spots all that much in a year in my opinion. NOVA for example, was the same beast its always been, except much bigger.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski,

I am thinking of moving on to a different job in the future and I am interested in reading about people`s experiences at technical universities or at semmon gakkos.

A lot of newbies use this board and many posts don`t mean much of anything to me.
I have been here for over 5 years and am married to a Japanese national, so the things I think about aren`t the same as people who haven`t been here long and are single.

I am interested in reading about ideas that work when teaching oral skills.
I read about the Immediate Method and am curious about it.

and pronunciation teaching and new ways of teaching the same old stuff.
I teach teenagers, so I have to be creative.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Brooks,

I hear you. When I came to this site a year ago I was excited to learn about the things you mentioned. I guess it is a bit like work, though.

Are you familiar with a text called Marathon Mouth?



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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
and pronunciation teaching and new ways of teaching the same old stuff.
I teach teenagers, so I have to be creative.


A good book for teaching pronunciation is "Clear Speech" by Judy Gilbert. there are others but that worked well in a junior college class.

Many ways to teach pronunciation: drills, minimal pairs, tongu twisters that emphasise certain sounds.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both those books you two have mentioned.
I teach drama so I am interested in pronunciation teaching for drama students.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's interesting. Are you currently using it and how do you like it, if you don't mind my asking?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
I have both those books you two have mentioned.
I teach drama so I am interested in pronunciation teaching for drama students.

Not a direct relationship but have you read Improv by Johnstone? I got a lot of ideas out of that book in terms of applying his methods to a language setting, He also has some interesting ideas on education that I found illuminating.

In terms of methodology I'm not up on the latest but I've always been intrigued by the viability of the Silent Method.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regard to the Daves vs Gaijin pot debate I think these things ebb and flow with little influence from the board operators. Each site has it's moments at different times. The only thing you can do about it is post more about what interests you yourself.
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