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vox



Joined: 26 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Age and teaching abroad Reply with quote

I am looking into teaching abroad next year. I'll only be 19 years old, however. Alot of the places I'm interested in teaching at say you have to be 20. Alot of the certification courses also ask that you are at least 20.

So when did you start? Do you think 19 is too young, and I wouldn't have much of a chance of getting a job?
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chinwubachu



Joined: 02 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing hi vox

for nearly all teaching positions in asia you need to have a degree, hence why most places say 20-21.....

most important things is the degree if you have that....then i dont see why you can`t

best of luck
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vox



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will have an associates degree, but not a bachelor's.

I know it might be better to wait until I'm 20 to go abroad, but I don't know how much more of this minimum wage life I have left in me. I know pay isn't great when you start, but I'd be happy even if I could just break even!
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It`s difficult, but not impossible. Difficult not only because of the degree requirement, but also potentially because of students`perceptions of such a young teacher--however qualified and ready you may be, schools might think that students wouldn`t trust your abilities.

That said, though, there was someone working at my school in Prague a while back who was only 19, or maybe only 18. She had taken some time off from her BA program and had taken a TEFL course. I think she was as interested in studying at a university in Prague than she was in teaching--maybe teaching was a way to fund her stay until she got a better idea of the university system. Anyway, the point is that it is doable. Just not easy!

I started when I was nearly 24, and most of the other students in my TEFL course were roughly the same age, give or take a year or two.

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expatben



Joined: 05 Apr 2005
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Location: UK...soon Canada though

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was 20 when I started I think 20 somethings can go into ESL. Be careful though some people love to rip off inexperienced teachers and 20 somethings could be a target.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vox,
A lot depends on the country you are interested in. Where would you like to go?

Age becomes a factor sometimes. You would be much younger than your students in some cases. So, you can't expect them to take you seriously as an instructor.

Inexperience doesn't matter so much in some cases. Here in Japan, the conversation schools hire people without experience because they want to mold them into their own image using their company formats.

However, your biggest weakness right now is lack of a bachelor's degree. So many countries require one for the work visa. You wrote:
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I know it might be better to wait until I'm 20 to go abroad, but I don't know how much more of this minimum wage life I have left in me. I know pay isn't great when you start, but I'd be happy even if I could just break even!

No offense, but you have many long years ahead of you, and even though you may be bored or frustrated right now, the best route is to prepare yourself, and that includes getting the right education.
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afowles



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:50 am    Post subject: re: age Reply with quote

Welcome to the club, man.

I started teaching when I was 22 (right after college) and I was always the youngest expat around. This was in a medium-sized city in Southern Poland. Most of the teachers around were in their mid-20's, so that made my social life a bit difficult, but not impossible. Same here in my slightly larger city in Western Poland. I'm always the youngest. And now I'm 24! I'm the youngest teacher in my school!

I would recommend that you finish your BA (why not in TESOL?) and get a CELTA or equivalent. Then, when you decide to move and find a job, you'll take whichever city you land in by storm.

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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: re: age Reply with quote

afowles wrote:
Welcome to the club, man.

I started teaching when I was 22 (right after college) and I was always the youngest expat around. This was in a medium-sized city in Southern Poland. Most of the teachers around were in their mid-20's, so that made my social life a bit difficult, but not impossible.

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Yikes! 22 and mid-20s really aren`t that far apart! Surely you could have found some common ground?

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afowles



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: re: age Reply with quote

denise wrote:
Yikes! 22 and mid-20s really aren`t that far apart! Surely you could have found some common ground?


Well, maybe I'm just a very difficult person to get along with. Wink
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bjwellgo8



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what it's like in other countries. From my recruiting experience in China, it depends on the types of schools and students you are going to teach.

It's very difficult but not impossible, as someone said. There is a very slim chance to teaching in a college or university. But I did have sent two 18-year-olds to a college in Xinjiang and they did very well. Kindergartens or language schools that only want EF to play games and talk to the kids are more likely to hire young teachers. And in those places, a pleasant personality and enthusiasm is more important than a degree and experience.
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merlin



Joined: 10 May 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey, vox:
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I don't know how much more of this minimum wage life I have left in me.

The vast majority of TEFL wages are far below the US minimum wage. Without a degree you'll find yourself warming the bench for a person with a degree and being the first to be cut from the team: All the well-paid jobs in countries with a favorable exchange rate go to people with degrees.

With a so-so wage in a poor country you'll be hard pressed to live a decent life and buy a return ticket home and you might have to ask mom to send you money for a plane ticket home and be right back where you started or worse.

eg: someone mentioned prague. Sure you can work there without a BA but for $1,000 a month if you're lucky enough to be allowed to work from 8 am to 9 pm. More than likely you'll get $500-$750 per month, will live in a hole in the wall in a slum, wont be able to afford most pubs or restaurants and will need one month's pay for a ticket back to the US.

You'll get depressed, drink more at cheaper pubs and hang out with trash because you can't afford to hang out with well-off locals or expats, then you'll let yourself go and look like a freakin wino until no one would even consider you for a decent job. I see it all the time. Low qualifications leads to a low level job which leads to low self-esteem and lower standards and this becomes a perpetual spiral down.

Set your sights high and demand the conditions you deserve. Don't "settle" for the leftovers.

Sorry for the lecture.
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Jizzo T. Clown



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said, merlin. Smile
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Moore



Joined: 25 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest problem I can see is that people expect a teacher to look older: to look like their teacher did. My flatmate here in Madrid who's 22 ends up lying and saying he's 25, although he does teach adults business English.

Apart from that, the way to get paid ok is to put yourself as far as possible from easy sources of English teachers: if you're in a more remote place then people will be a lot happier to settle for someone a bit further from the norm. You might also consider voluntary work overseas, if it's just the being abroad and doing something interesting and rewarding part that counts.

If you're very well-presented and enthusiastic, then your youth may well be some sort of bonus compared to a good many of the jaded worn-out hacks who abound in this profession.
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Justin Trullinger



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Age becomes a factor sometimes. You would be much younger than your students in some cases. So, you can't expect them to take you seriously as an instructor.



While I don't think it's true that students can't take a teacher who is younger than them seriously in the classroom, I agree that 19-20 is very young. If you're this young, it's hard for students to believe that you're a seriously qualified professional. I know that we've had problems here with teachers in that age group, no matter what their qualifications, because it seems (to students) that they can't be very qualified.

I have known several teachers throughout my career who think they'll rectify this by lying about their ages, but it tends to show. The only reliable way to convince students that you're a genuine pro is to be one. This means getting more training than you currently have.

If you're looking to a one or two year TEFL adventure, from which you will come home broke, at best, go ahead and book a flight. There is work out there. But it's low level, and may leave you longing for the minimum wage life back home. If you're looking to get into this professionally, and make a good living that keeps getting better, there's no time like the present to finish your degree. It will get you one rung up the ladder in a lot of countries, and you'll age a couple of years while you do it.

This is important, because in a lot of places, a good TEFL teacher can earn as much as a lawyer, accountant, or other mid to high level professional. You won't get those jobs, if it's obvious that you couldn't have the corresponding training and experience.

When I started, I was 25, and a lot of people my age still ran into problems being taken seriously by older, professional adults. I never did, I suspect largely due to premature baldness. I looked as old as my students, even if I wasn't...

Regards,
Justin
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ntropy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:25 pm    Post subject: On the older end Reply with quote

Let's flip this around. In what countries do they discriminate against "old" teachers. From your experience, list an age in a specific country that they won't look at you.
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