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wildnfree



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:33 am    Post subject: moving to LA - A few qs Reply with quote

Hi all,

I have been working in Hong kong for 3 years teaching English and want to go to LA next year. I was wondering if someone could help me with some general info that might help me decide on where and when.

When is the best time to look for work?

I have a bachelors in Political Science and Graduate Diploma in Business, worked in High Schools teaching English for 3 years - what kind of institution should I look for work? Would any Universities consider me?

Which place in LA, as a caucasian (or in my case, mediterrean) background person you can feel the most 'at home', 'accepted' and 'local'? After living as the token foreigner here, this takes on raised importance.

What are the major dangers and annoyances /surprises I look out for? Any pleasant suprises?

Thanks alot!
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ls650



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: moving to LA - A few qs Reply with quote

wildnfree wrote:
When is the best time to look for work?
I have a bachelors in Political Science and Graduate Diploma in Business, worked in High Schools teaching English for 3 years - what kind of institution should I look for work? Would any Universities consider me?

1) School schedules vary quite a bit from country to country, so this is difficult to answer. Perhaps the best idea is to come to Latin America with some money saved so that you can travel around and find a location you like, then start knocking on school doors with your resume in hand.
2) Many unis would hire you, based on your bachelors and experience. A TEFL certificate would also be attractive to employers.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To expound on 'when' to go...Central America and Mexico generally see more positions opening up for September starts, meaning, you should have a job locked up no later than late August. mid January seems a good time as well.

Most of South America starts the fall semester in March, so late February is when most positions are locked up.

On dangers...you should read through many of the threads in the Lat Am forum...I don't think there are too many outside of having street smarts and staying away from certain foods, or Colombian narco rebels.

On pleasant surprises...numerous. If we told you, they wouldn't be surprises!

You'll probably find Latin Americans more welcoming than in Hong Kong, though I don't speak from experience. As far as feeling at home, that depends on how comfortable you are with yourself. Some of things that are most important to people in this part of the world are love, family, good food, and a place to sling a hammock.
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Aramas



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Some of things that are most important to people in this part of the world are love, family, good food, and a place to sling a hammock.


Sounds good to me, although I expect you overlooked 'friends'.

Epicurus would be proud.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epicurus, eh? Laughing

Yes, add friends to that list, as well as many other things.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I expect you overlooked 'friends'


Actually, where I am, I wouldn't put friends on the list. "Family" has it covered. What I mean is that here, the principle social circle is ALWAYS the family circle. The word "friend" in Ecuadorian Spanish might as well be "cousin", because they always are...


Justin
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
Actually, where I am, I wouldn't put friends on the list. "Family" has it covered. What I mean is that here, the principle social circle is ALWAYS the family circle. The word "friend" in Ecuadorian Spanish might as well be "cousin", because they always are...

That's the way it is with most Yucatecans, too. In class at university level, if the topic happens to be "Friends & Friendship," their best friends are usually their brothers, sisters, and cousins. They may go out to a disco or a party with some classmates from school . . . along with their brother, sister, or cousin, of course.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think us moble Americans who move arround so much inside our own country work the other way don't we?
Our friends become our family. Those of us who are university educated WASPS and lived in dorms, probably experienced what its like to have an large extended family with lots of cousins in your age group for the first time when we lived in dorms. I only have like 6 relatives who are within 5 years of my age younger and older. I moved abroad, but many of my college friends still see each other more often than they see their families and those who are in the same city get together at holidays like Thanksgiving.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife noted that about my choice of friends...and when I say noted I mean derrided me for it! I often spend a lot of time with newly arrived teachers, or getting together for drinks with people who have been here awhile. We'll also do a US Thanksgiving Day dinner at my place for the Americans.

Maybe I should get some Mexican friends. Crying or Very sad
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oOh! I made a new Mexican friend today at the airport!
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Gregor



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's actually the thing about being in Latin America (well, Mexico, at least) for me - I was able to make some good friends. And I mean REAL friends. I'd hang out with other ex-pats quite often as well, but I had - still have - plenty of good friends who I stay in touch with in Mexico.

I don't know how or why that is. Maybe it's that the people have more in common culturally, all of us being Americans. Maybe it was because I learned the language better, and maybe it's because I was playing music semi-professionally instead of always teaching. Maybe a combination of all those things.
I'm in China now, and I don't have many Chinese friends. Well, a few. And one or two I might stay in touch with. But it's tougher. I feel a wall between me and the Chinese people. Most are friendly enough, but there's always this, "I'm Chinese and you're not, so you'll never understand me" wall between us.

I was amazed that the Mexican people could accept a foreigner as a permanent part of the neighborhood. I stayed there long enough that I was a fixture, and people remembered to include me in neighborhood meetings or just hanging out at a bar. Not just acted nice to me when they saw me; they'd call me up and invite me along.
I thought that was just amazing.

Never, ever happen in Indonesia. Could happen, maybe, in China, after a good long time.
Mexicans are very cool about that sort of thing though. Not NEARLY as racist as Asians from most countries (though there are exceptions to that).

No, man, the amistad thing there is awesome.

Just...learn the language. That makes it a LOT easier.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: moving to LA - A few qs Reply with quote

wildnfree wrote:
Which place in LA, as a caucasian (or in my case, mediterrean) background person you can feel the most 'at home', 'accepted' and 'local'? After living as the token foreigner here, this takes on raised importance.

I'm in Korea.. a long time ago I was in Korea just the same.. and made a jump to Brazil for similar reasons. I absolutely loved Brazil.

But one thing I learned is that anytime you are outside of your country no matter where you go.. you will always be treated just a little bit different. Don't get me wrong, Brazil was more 'normal' for a caucasian than Asia.. but still.

Stuff like 'oh, you are an American.. it must be hard for you to do your own laundry'.. etc. They just assume that since upper class Brazilians all have maids.. then therefore ALL Americans must also have maids - and when they hear of Brazilians getting jobs as maids in Hollywood or something - it just reconfirms you must also be typically rich like all Americans as they perceive. Anyhow, you'll always get stuff like this anywhere you go depending on the country you are in.

Brazil was still a great place.. I'm just saying that being somewhere where you are truly just local and perceived normal and like everyone else can really only happen in the home country.
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Fatcat



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: moving to LA - A few qs Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
wildnfree wrote:
Which place in LA, as a caucasian (or in my case, mediterrean) background person you can feel the most 'at home', 'accepted' and 'local'? After living as the token foreigner here, this takes on raised importance.

I'm in Korea.. a long time ago I was in Korea just the same.. and made a jump to Brazil for similar reasons. I absolutely loved Brazil.

But one thing I learned is that anytime you are outside of your country no matter where you go.. you will always be treated just a little bit different. Don't get me wrong, Brazil was more 'normal' for a caucasian than Asia.. but still.

Stuff like 'oh, you are an American.. it must be hard for you to do your own laundry'.. etc. They just assume that since upper class Brazilians all have maids.. then therefore ALL Americans must also have maids - and when they hear of Brazilians getting jobs as maids in Hollywood or something - it just reconfirms you must also be typically rich like all Americans as they perceive. Anyhow, you'll always get stuff like this anywhere you go depending on the country you are in.

Brazil was still a great place.. I'm just saying that being somewhere where you are truly just local and perceived normal and like everyone else can really only happen in the home country.
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Fatcat



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: sorry!! Reply with quote

I don't quite know how to highlight the quotes yet and respond!! Don't know what just happened there, but I'm working on it...
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