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[mendications]

Has anyone ever heard of any jobs available in Tibet? How about volunteer positions? Presumably people want to learn English there but I have never seen a posting for the area.

[jeffinflorida]

I just returned from Tibet and did not see any ads lookng for teachers and didn't see any promos or anything for English schools.

[YearOfTheDog]

I am not going to post them, But if you search on Yahoo! or Google...ESL TIBET....stuff comes up.

[Roger]

Officially,. there are a couple of public institutions that hire FTs, but that is relatively new. I suppose they have collaborative relationships with some overseas-based universities that accept the onus to make sure no one goes to Tibet with the "wrong" political or religious agenda. You can bet on being thoroughly vetted.

Volunteer services operate in the border regions between TIbet and China, i.e. Sichuan, QInghai and Yunnan; one of them is known by the name of "khamaid" (I think), which points to a former Tibetan province the CHinese incorporated into Sichuan. In Qinghai some Aussie guy is independently doing some work in the field of education, but I can't give you his current particulars.

[ChinaMovieMagic]

It's my friends at www.khamaid.org

Re: Roger's use of "Tibet and China"
I hope newbies don't attempt to copy Roger, as he's a veteran entitled to "poetic license" (I guess)

For a USAmerican it would seem strange to hear someone write:
"Florida and America."

"Taiwan and China"
"Tibet and China"...
...it can be a provocative statement...
...either consciously...or unconsciously...

Like US southern good ole' boys proudly/provocatively
...hanging the Confederate Flag...

How would we put it：
�Tibet and the rest of China"

[Henry_Cowell]

[Roger]

My first, and probably only, theological difference with CMM. I stick by my guns. Chinese are foreigners in Tibet, invaders, colonisers, imperialists. Ditto in Taiwan. Not necessarily so in Tuerkestan/"Xinjiang".

[KarenB]

Americans are generally not permitted to work in Tibet.

English speakers from most other nationalities are permitted.

I know about a dozen Canadians working there as English language teachers in some of the universities.

Tibet seems to hire most of their English language teachers through reputable organizations such as ELIC, rather than hiring "independents". They also usually ask for a 2 year commitment, so there's probably not much available for the casual backpacker passing through.

From what I hear from my friends living there -- the high altitude is quite difficult on the body. A lot of the foreigners there get ill a lot.

[sandinista445]

"Tibet and China" would be more along the lines of saying "Puerto Rico and the USA," than saying Texas (or any other southern state) and the USA.

[Henry_Cowell]

[ChinaMovieMagic]

How about New Mexico and USA?
Hawaii and Mainland USA?
New England and England?
New Orleans and Orleans?

Anyway, back to the OP before we're locked...

[Henry_Cowell]

Can anyone supply the date on which the Tibetan people (excluding the Han Chinese) willingly decided to "join" the PRC?

[hengyangdave]

guys.....having discussed this with Chinese nationals in China.....


"Tibet is as much China as Australia is for the White people....you went to Australia, invaded it, control it....now why dont YOU give it back to the Aboriginals?"

any arguments that can defeat this?

[Roger]

I would wager no Europan is pretending that the white man has always honourably discharged his duty towards the yellow, red, brown and black peoples in the world. It is therefore almost insincere to juxtapose white countries' expansions to the expansion that China has performed over the last few hundred years.
I will keep referring to Tibet as an invaded, formerly sovereign country so long as the Chinese are ruling over it.
The Chinese have been pitying themselves and accusing former European powers of having invaded China before; they ought to be the first to own up to the fact that their presence in TIbet is an anomaly due to their own imperialist expansionism.
The Chinese are guilty of some of the most heinous crimes against humanity to the same extent as the U.S.A. against Red Indians ('native Americans'), European and Arab colonisers in Africa, and the Japanese in Asia. The only difference is: the crimes of the white man have been meticulously listed, researched and described in detail in history books; the Chinese crimes have been kept under wraps in China.
BUt the Chinese territorial claims to Tibet are no more tenable than the Russian claims to Kirgistan and Kasakhstan - to name but 2 of those -stans - were when Russian imperialism masqueraded as the Soviet empire.
The Chinese advance that one of the daughters of an ancient emperor married a Tibetan king; ancient flesh trade as modern-day justification for foreign rule over a small people? This is so ridiculous, considering that the current Chinese rulers pretend to loathe feudalism...

There had never been Chinese settlers in Tibet; occasionally the emperor had an 'amban' resident in Lhasa; the last time the amban made headlines was when the British invaded Tibetn in 1904. The British massacred a good many TIbetans - but no Chinese soldiers! How can the Chinese claim they were the sovereigns over TIbet since they didn't even deploy troops to defend Tibet?
They had been asked in the 18th century to come to the help of the TIbetans who had come under attack from Nepalese raiders. Since that time, Tibet had been a sort of protectorate.

When the Chinese toppled their last (foreign: a Manchu!) emperor in 1911, TIbet declared de jure independence.

The Chinese came as a marauding occupation army, murdering 1.5 million natives and destroying their indigenous culture in the turbulent years from '66 to '76.

[KarenB]

Sorry this is long, but here's a little background on Tibet:

Tibet emerged as a unified state with a centralized monarchy in the 7th Century A.D. (during the Tang Dynasty in China). At this time, Indian missionaries introduced Lamaistic Buddhism, developed an alphabet for the Tibetan language, and translated Buddhist sacred texts. The Indian Buddhists also endeavored to suppress the indigenous Bon religion (Shamaism) of Tibet.

Under Song-tsen Gampo, who ruled from A.D. 620-649, Tibet began sending tribute to China. Tibet grew in power in the late 7th century, however, and began to threaten China, with forces even encroaching as close as 200 miles from Chang'an (Xi'an) in 696, during the reign of Empress Wu.

The Chinese Tang Emperor Xuanzong (712-756) emerged victorious in the conflict with Tibet, and signed a peace treaty in which Tibet acknowledged Chinese suzerainty. (A suzerain is a state that controls the international affairs of another state, but generally allows local autonomous rule).

While China was preoccupied with the rebellion of An Lushan, Tibet took the opportunity to briefly capture Chang'an in 763, but retreated almost immediately. Between 780-87, the Tang Emperor Dezong attempted to negotiate a settlement with Tibet, which Tibet refused. Dezong then allied himself with the Uighur (marrying his daughter to a Uighur leader) to subjugate Tibet.

The Mongol conqueror Genghis Khan incorporated Tibet into the Mongolian empire in 1206. In the 15th century, the Yuan (Mongol) Empire appointed the Dalai Lama and gave him political power of Tibet.

During the Ming Dynasty, Tibet was once again subjected to China in 1379.

In the Qing Dynasty, the Dzungar people invaded Tibet in 1717. The Qing Emperor Kangxi intervened and established a Chinese presence in Lhasa. In 1750, his grandson, Qianlong, instated the Dalai Lama as temporal ruler of a state with internal autonomy, but with China as the "protectorate." Emperor Qianlong decreed that the future Dalai Lama should be chosen by lot, and sent a golden urn to Lhasa for that purpose.

Nepal attempted an unsuccessful invasion of Tibet at the turn of the 18th century, and in 1904, British forces from India invaded Tibet, attempting to establish a foothold. In 1906, Britain and China established the Anglo-Chinese Agreement in which Britain recognized the Chinese Empire as Tibet's Suzerain. China paid a large indemnity to Britain, who then withdrew her troops. In 1907, Britain and Russia finalized an agreement pledging non-interference in Tibetan affairs, and acknowledging Chinese suzerainty.