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teacherbrian



Joined: 13 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:52 am    Post subject: URGENT residence visa problem Reply with quote

I think I might have a bit of a problem.

My school got me a work permit, but not a residence permit. I asked them about this and they said that I didn't have to do anything more. I was told that all I had to do was go to the police and get the PSB stamp.

My question is, where do I get a residence permit then? I am completely confused. If my work permit is not valid, then my tourist visa just expired.

If anyone can give me some advice ASAP, it would be very useful.
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, t.b., please have a look at my reply to your other post, at-

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=26047&start=60

if you don't mind.
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therock



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume that you are on a Z visa then. When you enter China on a Z visa it is valid for 30 days I believe. During this time your school needs to take your passport to the local Foreign Affairs Bureau and apply for a Foreign Expert Certificate. That can take anywhere between one day to one week. Once you have been issued with a Foreign Expert Certificate the school needs to take the FEC with your passport down to the local PSB and change the Z visa into a residence permit, which will be valid until the end of your contract.

Your school needs to do all this, I don't think that you can do it on your own. Ask your school again.
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP now has two threads going on this, that's why I asked him to refer back to his original thread.

It will probably not make a difference, in his case, but he said he had entered on a tourist visa.
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therock



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP initially said that his employer got him a work permit, but then he said that if the work permit is not valid then his tourist visa has just expired.

So if he could clarify that up whether he has a work permit or a tourist visa, then we would be in a better position to advise him. That said if he has a working permit then what I said previously is what he needs to do. If he is on a tourist visa then thats a complete different story.
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Rock! Yeah, I agree with you, a little more clarity in the facts is always useful. We'll just wait to see what, if anything, the OP has to say, further, about all this.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=26047&start=60
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Keath



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly does your work permit look like? Where you ever issued a green book or red book? Did they ever convert your L visa to a Z visa? Alot of schools think they know the proper procedure but in fact fail to comply and do what is required.

Is it possible the school obtained your residence booklet but didnt provide it to you? Many schools keep the book which they are not supposed to do, green residence booklets should be kept with the teacher.

Which province are you working?

As I understand, when someone comes to China on a L tourist visa, the first step towards converting the visa, is to convert the visa to a Z visa. Then apply for the Residence permit then the SAFEA red Forein Expert booklet. You should have the green booklet by now, if you dont have it, or anything that shows clearly your expiry date of emplyment or visa expiry, then you should ask your school to extend your visa or provide the proper documentation.

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vikdk



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your location says shanghai - you have possibility to get over the counter visa there just like HK

see www.visainchina.com
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therock



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keath wrote:
As I understand, when someone comes to China on a L tourist visa, the first step towards converting the visa, is to convert the visa to a Z visa.


Not quite, if you enter China on a L or F visa there is no need to change over to a Z visa. They will convert your L or F visa to a multiple entry residence permit, which gives you permission to live and work in China.

However if has became increasingly difficult to change a L or F visa into a residence permit. But that depends on which province you are intending to work in and the school's relationship with the authorities. If you can not change in country then you will need to go to Hong Kong and change to a Z visa there. Then when you return to China your school will change the Z visa into a residence permit.
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therock



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikdk wrote:
your location says shanghai - you have possibility to get over the counter visa there just like HK


I think with visa service in Shanghai that don't offer the changing of a L visa to Z visa. They can extend L or F visa's. They even offer a one year F visa.
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who might be interested, additional details regarding the OP's situation, and the advice he's been given, appear at-
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=26047&start=60

therock called attention to some errors in Keath's post: I'd like to add some further comments along those lines.

Keath wrote:
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Where you ever issued a green book or red book? *** ...green residence booklets should be kept with the teacher. *** You should have the green booklet by now....

China began phasing out the seperate, green colored "resident permit" almost exactly a year ago, replacing it with the Residence Permit for Foreigners (a sticker placed in your passport). So far as has been reported here, the green resident permit is no longer being issued anywhere in China.

Keath also wrote:
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As I understand, when someone comes to China on a L tourist visa, the first step towards converting the visa, is to convert the visa to a Z visa.

As therock said, converting an L visa to a Z visa, in country, is an unnecessary step in the process of getting documented to work, and live, long-term, in China.* At the point in time that the Foreign Expert Certificate and Residence Permit for Foreigners have been issued, the teacher is fully documented to work and live, in China, and in need of no further documentation, or visa, of any kind.
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* though some provinces will, in some cases, require that the teacher leave the country to obtain a Z visa, then re-enter, before they will process the applications for the FEC and RPF
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Keath



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volodiya. - We just did this Monday. (Green book was issued)

Emoo.net in Shanghai can change L or F to a Z so long as your work and residence is in Shanghai. However, They cannot for example do this service for you if you are a Zhejiang resident working in Zhejaing Province. (even if you have all the proper paperwork)

They can however extend your F or L visa even if you are living in a remote location by mail service. But you have to pay an extra 300 RMB for them to issue a temp. res. permit.
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote:
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So far as has been reported here, the green resident permit is no longer being issued anywhere in China.

Keath wrote, in reply:
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Volodiya. - We just did this Monday. (Green book was issued)

Very interesting, Keath. Thanks for the information. This is the first report of its type to this forum since early 2005. What city and province was that in?

Can you supply us with the details- anything you think might bear on why the green, resident permit booklet was issued, instead of the Residence Permit for Foreigners (To the readers: the RPF, implemented late 2004, is a sticker, placed in your passport, which gives permission to live in China and to exit and re-enter, freely, without a visa: it began, at that time, to be issued in place of, and instead of, the green resident permit).

Was the applicant in question issued either an "Alien Work Permit", or a "Foreign Expert Certificate" (either of which would support the issuance of the RPF- but without which you can't get the RPF)?

Or, was their contract for short-term work (less than six months) and, therefore, a contract that would not support the issuance of any of these documents- AWP, FEC or RPF?

Anyway, lots of questions, so I hope you don't mind filling us in with the details regarding the circumstances.
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hesterprynne



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:43 am    Post subject: green book Reply with quote

what is the dealio? My boss just renewed my work visa and my green book didn't come back from the PSB with him- he says I don't need it. Is this right?
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Rabid



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: green book Reply with quote

hesterprynne wrote:
what is the dealio? My boss just renewed my work visa and my green book didn't come back from the PSB with him- he says I don't need it. Is this right?

Have a good look at your new Visa. It should read 'foreigners resident permit'
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