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Dragonfly01



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: New government regulations? Reply with quote

Does anyone know about any recent changes in the government regulations concerning the admission of TESF/TEFL in China? Rolling Eyes

If you do, please let me know.
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonfly, could you be specific about what you've heard? I think then there'll be posters who are ready to respond to any concerns you may have.
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Spiderman Too



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SAFEA regulations can be checked out here:-

http://www.china-tesol.com/How_to_get_a_Job/SAFEA_Guide/_1_SAFEA_2002/_1_safea_2002.html

There are actually 2 categories for foreign teachers; Foreign Expert & Ordinary Foreign Teacher of Language.

As you can read on the website, a Foreign Expert is supposed to hold a master degree or higher, and have 3 - 5 years of experience.

An ordinary foreign teacher of language is supposed to hold a bachelor degree + "professional training on language teaching", and have 'some' experience.

Apparently this law has been in effect since 2002.

At my college there are 70+ foreign teachers. A few don't have bachelor degrees, some don't have TESL/TEFL/TESOL certificates but ALL have FRPs and Foreign Experts Certificates.

In China, it's not a case of what the law says but how the law is applied; conversion of an 'L' visa to a 'Z' visa? - yes in this province, no in that province, convert part of your salary to US$? - 30% in this province / 70% in that province (and, believe it or not, 100% where I am at present).

So, since 2002 the legal minimum requirement for foreign teachers has been degree + TESL. One day / some day the law will be uniformally enforced across the board in all provinces, but who knows when?
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Volodiya



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice post, Spidey.

At a number of points in his post, Spiderman Too points out possible differences in the official treatment of FTs. This is commonplace in China, and does not automatically indicate inappropriate, unethical or illegal acts on the part of the local authorities. In every country, administrators are permitted, within the full range permitted by law, to exercise their discretion.

Thus, FTs who lack college degrees are, from time to time, documented to work in China- receiving Z visas, abroad, and FECs and RPFs, once they arrive; FTs who entered China on L visas are, from time to time, given the same, without having to leave the country to obtain a Z visa- all perfectly legally, and within the discretion of the local authorities; and, varying, as Spiderman Too points out, from place to place, province to province, from one case to another.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiderman Too wrote:
At my college there are 70+ foreign teachers. A few don't have bachelor degrees, some don't have TESL/TEFL/TESOL certificates but ALL have FRPs and Foreign Experts Certificates.


Which province is your college in? Also, 70+ FT's??? Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Teaching English still top job for foreign experts
By Zhu Zhe (China Daily)
Updated: 2005-11-07 05:32

English teaching is still the most popular job for foreigners in China, according to the third Job Fair for Foreigners in Beijing on Saturday.

About 80 per cent of some 400 foreigners who attended the fair were looking for jobs such as teachers or language polishers.

And the majority of some 500 positions offered at the fair fell into exactly that category.

Unlike some who come to China to mess around and see teaching as a way to earn extra money, the majority of foreigners at the fair were very serious about their careers.

Luann Gronhovd from North Dakota, the United States, has just received her master's degree in education in the US. She came to Beijing to teach two months ago. Explaining her choice of destination, she said: "China is a country I already know and have always loved."

With two-year experience teaching English at Sichuan Normal University, Luann appeared a little bit picky. "I'm looking for a school that has a good teaching environment and qualified staff," she said. "I think these are something every responsible teacher should be looking for. Money is important, but not the most important."

Some foreign teachers in China are not well qualified, she said, a fact confirmed by Yang Changju, director of the cultural and educational experts department of the State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs.

"Some foreign teachers have very poor qualifications," he said. "And some schools employ foreign English teachers not because they want to improve their English teaching level but just to attract more students."

Yang told China Daily that the bureau will jointly work with the Ministry of Education to set up a qualification system for foreign English teachers in China to better regulate the market.

No specific date or regulation has yet been made.


Bureau figures indicate that about 260,000 foreigners are currently working in China, but these are only those in stable jobs.

They usually work as consultants or managers of big construction projects, technical staff, senior managers in international or joint-venture companies, or language teachers and polishers.

"English teaching positions are still very popular, especially for those without a strong technical background," Yang said, adding that the number of foreign English teachers stood at 60,000, excluding those in part-time jobs.

The growing number of foreign experts did not necessarily add pressure to the existing white-hot domestic job market, Yang said, because "they usually take jobs that we Chinese are unable to do."

China Daily 11/07/2005
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