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autoenglish



Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:38 am    Post subject: Private classes... how much? Reply with quote

Hi. I was just wondering how much EFL teachers charge for an hour's private class or one-to-one in Japan? What's the going rate?

Cheers, Bob.
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sushi



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some charge upwards of 10,000 yen an hour, but more often than not they are for one on one lessons with young children. You know your basic ambitious type parents who want their kid or kids to shine in the neighbourhood type thing and perhaps get a head start in life.
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madeira



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people are nuts and under-charge. I've heard of PRIVATE lessons for 2,000/hour. You should get at least 3,000/hour plus transportation expenses. I still wouldn't touch the job.

Not until it reaches 10,000/hour.

This is my opinion, but I find privates mostly a waste of time. You have to be VERY firm about cancellations and absolutely in charge when the time comes to negotiate payment. Often, students think they can get a teacher at lower-than-eikaiwa rates, but willing to do lots more in terms of homework-checking/assignment re-writing/researching homestays or jobs abroad, etc.

I'm too soft at negotiating and end up doing too much extra work. Some people can deal with it no problem.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The average rate these days seems to be 3000-5000 yen/hour for one student. If you have more than one per class, you might want to consider reducing the cost per person. That way, more would feel like joining, and you'd still make money.

Haven't heard of too many people successfully charging 10,000 yen/hour since the late 90s.
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madeira



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it's unusual, but that's the only rate I'll consider. I don't charge transportation at that rate, if that helps..

A private lesson at GEOS is still starting above 10,000, and doesn't involve any extras.
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get anywhere from 5-10,000 yen/hour for private classes. It depends on the distance and prep and how much of a pain it is to you. The ichi-man class is a one-on-one about a 20 minute drive away.
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Nagoyaguy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to avoid one-on-one classes. Too much like work! Plus, if the student doesnt show or cancels, you probably dont get paid.

If possible, try to teach group lessons. Better and more regular pay, easier to teach, and generally happier. Here is my system;

1/ Group of 9 students. Each pays 6000 yen a month. One class a week, for two hours.

2/ Group of 12 students. Each pays 4000 yen a month. Ditto timing to above.

Some things to do;

a/ Do NOT teach at home. I get a room at the local community centre (for class 1/ above) or 1200 yen per class. Class 2/ pays for the room among themselves. It has conference tables, whiteboard and markers, and is more professional.

b/ USE a textbook. Easier than 'winging it' all the time.

c/ Encourage students to recruit for you. For me, anyone who brings a student gets half price tuition for a month. So does the new student.

d/ Get paid in advance, at the first class of the month.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Group of 9 students. Each pays 6000 yen a month. One class a week, for two hours.

If you meet 4 times a month, that's 6000 yen/8 hours, or 750 yen/hour. If you meet 5 times a month, that's 6000 yen/10 hours, or 600 yen/hour. I would NEVER teach for a fee that small, even in a group situation.

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Group of 12 students. Each pays 4000 yen a month. Ditto timing to above.

That's 4000/8 or 4000/10, or 500 and 400 yen/hour. Unbelievably unacceptable to me.

I think if you even doubled your rates for group 1, your students would still come, and they would see the fee as fair.

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I try to avoid one-on-one classes. Too much like work! Plus, if the student doesnt show or cancels, you probably dont get paid.

The only reason I try to avoid one-on-ones is the lower fees, but I still get 4000 yen/hour for these, and they pay in advance, so there is no chance of not getting paid. You get your groups to pay in advance, why not the one-on-ones?
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king kakipi



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski

I think you are missing the point re Nagoyaguy's pricing rationale. I think it is sound. He is getting about 6000 an hour. Often teaching a group of students is easier than teaching a single student, don't you think? Class dynamics and all that.

I was getting 6000 an hour teaching a small class at an international school. Seemed good to me, but following your logic that equates to 300 a studnt per hour. From my viewpoint, it is 6K an hour rather than 20x300Y!

And by using a textbook for the class, rather than one-on-one 'free conversation', I think N.guy is onto a fairly good thing.
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johanne



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the point being missed here is that Nagoya guy is getting 6000 yen a month from each student, therefore with 9 students he is getting 54,000 yen a month to teach 8 hours, which works out to a little less than 7,000 yen an hour - not bad. For his group of 12 he is getting 48,000 so 6,000 yen a hour. Also, teaching a group lesson from a text is relatively easy, especially if you are experienced and know how to spice it up or adjust it for your individual students. I'd say he is doing alright and the students are getting a good deal as well. It's win-win.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started at 3000 and hour to build my client base, 4000 for an hour and a half. I built up a steady income supplement, so now I only teach for 4000 and hour and I've stopped accepting low level students and kids who aren't already near fluent. I don't honestly care if I never get another student. Those I have are really consistent. They pay after the lesson in cash, and they never cancel less than a week ahead except when they are sick.

I recommend findstudents.net for getting students.
They don't build up quickly, but they definitely build up if you can teach. I've never posted a picture of myself.

If anyone in around Chiba is looking to pick up some privates around March send me a pm.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you are missing the point re Nagoyaguy's pricing rationale. I think it is sound. He is getting about 6000 an hour. Often teaching a group of students is easier than teaching a single student, don't you think? Class dynamics and all that.

I was getting 6000 an hour teaching a small class at an international school. Seemed good to me, but following your logic that equates to 300 a studnt per hour. From my viewpoint, it is 6K an hour rather than 20x300Y!

No, I don't think I'm missing the point. I taught group lessons, too, and I used a sliding scale. However, after a certain number of students had built up, I stopped moving the scale.
example:
1 student class --> 4000 yen
2 student class --> 3000 yen per student
3 student class --> 2500 yen per student
4 student class --> 2000 yen per student
If classes got larger than 4 students, everyone continued to pay 2000 yen per hour. This is STILL a dirt cheap fee these days, and students STILL argue to pay less, but it is as fair as it comes, in my opinion. I agree that the dynamics of a group class are usually better than one with just one student, and that's why I charge more for the one student classes, but to charge what NagoyaGuy does is undercutting the market far too much, in my opinion.

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I think the point being missed here is that Nagoya guy is getting 6000 yen a month from each student, therefore with 9 students he is getting 54,000 yen a month to teach 8 hours, which works out to a little less than 7,000 yen an hour - not bad.

Not bad, yes, but still pitiful and barely a market price considering the size of the class, in my opinion. If he had 2 students at 6000 yen/month each, that's 12,000 yen for 8 hours or a paltry 1500 yen/hour. Four students raises that to only 3000 yen/hour, barely the going rate these days for any individual private lesson. With NagoyaGuy's system, you NEED that larger class to make things even close to reasonable, and I won't work for that sort of chicken feed. Customers tell me that anything less than 5000 yen/hour is demeaning to the teacher, too (yet there are always the ones who haggle over every last yen).

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Also, teaching a group lesson from a text is relatively easy, especially if you are experienced and know how to spice it up or adjust it for your individual students.

Well, not everyone teaching here is experienced and knows how to spice it up or adjust it. I'll give NagoyaGuy the benefit of the doubt, but I just disagree with his pricing scheme.

I would disagree that teaching a group lesson from a text is always relatively easy. Perhaps I'm picking nits here, but unless you make certain that the group's goals and levels are the same, you will have problems, even with canned lessons from texts. That's one reason why creative lesson planning has its merits. Ideally, I think mixing the customized lessons with a text would be best, but I honestly have not found a good text for the plethora of levels that I teach (or have taught). One text does not fit all.
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pnksweater



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my going rate is 7,000 yen an hour. Since I'd have to get paid at least this to get interested. I get hit up for free English when I go out. As soon as someone drops the "I want to improve my English" bomb I tell them my rate and then they usually leave me alone. I don't bother teaching privates. If I was working at an Ekaiwa that wasn't very taxing I probably would, but I find my current job to be enough. My friends who teach privates are forever pulling their hair out about unreliablilty. It's tough to find good long term students.
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Jon Taylor



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting reading this link to see just how plain greedy many of you appear to be.

When this topic began it was a general question asking how much one should charge for a private lesson.

It really didn't take long did it before it became a contest on who earns the most cash for each lesson.

Some of the quotes....well, i just have to laugh really. How can some of your rates be justified.

Who the hell do some of you think you are......lawyers, doctors ??

Anybody and I mean anybody could teach English and many of you may take offence at that and tell me that you have 10 years experience with various qualifications......

So let's face it, a private lesson means talking in your native tongue for one hour. How difficult can that be ?

Many Japanese are keen to learn English and for one reason or another choose to go privately. In my opinion, a suitable charge is somewhere around the 4000 per hour mark.

This rate is similar to what the student would be paying for tuition at any language school.
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