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volkswagen
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 Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: Going to Poland |
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| My husband and I have just booked tickets to Warsaw because there was a really cheap seat sale and we both wanted to live in Poland. We both are hoping to teach, but we don't have any visas, we are both Canadian. I was wondering if anyone had any helpful information about what to do in our situation as getting a work visa is kind of too late. We are not concerned with making lots of money, but enough to have a place to stay and food to eat. Are there any schools out there that we feed you and give you a place to live if you 'volunteer' your time to teach english? Okay, thanks. |
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Alex Shulgin
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Sorry but to be in Poland for more than 183 days in any 365 day period you need a resident's visa with permission to work stuck in your passport and those will only be issued in the country where you are legally resident. Whether you are paid for the work you do or not doesn't matter. You still need permission to be here. Just like Poles in Canada.
You can probably find illegal work but when you try to leave the country you'll be hit with a fine for overstaying your tourist visa.
Sorry but here in Poland the demand is for professional teachers, not people who will work for food. |
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Albulbul
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| Oh Mr Shulgin you are so CRUEL. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| 'Work For Food' Is that what it has come to in North America ? |
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Grrrmachine
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Location: Warsaw, Poland
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| czy ma pan dwa złotych na kanapka prosze? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Panhandling is not permitted in this cafe ! If you do not leave I will have to summon the security organs ! |
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cezarek
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Alex Shulgin wrote: |
Sorry but here in Poland the demand is for professional teachers, not people who will work for food. |
Cruel but true. I just got some junk mail from a language school (Com something. You know the one) offering in-company lessons for 50zl per 60 mins. Which lead me to wonder what thay pay. Probably just enough for food. Providing the teachers don't eat too much. These cowboy outfits employ teachers who are here illegally, usually from outside the EU with no work permits, no Polish mortgage, no spouse and kids to support, who are prepared to live in a one room flat and travel by bus, just to 'experience Europe'.
The rest of us, who want to make a career and a life for ourselves here, who provide professional lessons and expect a professional wage are constantly undermined by illegal immigrants working for schools who can undercut the ones who pay decent wages, taxes and have overheads. Cowboy teachers and cowboy schools keep wages down.
These schools can only offer such prices by employing wetbacks.
Please, if you want to 'work for food', join a volunteer programme, instead of lowering standards and pay levels for professional teachers. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Scab labour is not welcome anywhere. |
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Grrrmachine
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I wholeheartedly support these comments. I just signed a new contract with a company after their previous teacher was revealed to be an unqualified, inexperienced, illegally resident native speaker who had obtained work through one of Warsaw's "agencies."
Whilst Im not proclaiming that the originators of this thread have no qualifications, the methods of employment have the same detriment to the profession as Alex mentioned above.
Think of the (justified) outrage at taxi drivers after the influx of illegal minicab companies... |
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gregoryfromcali
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| We are not concerned with making lots of money, but enough to have a place to stay and food to eat. Are there any schools out there that we feed you and give you a place to live if you 'volunteer' your time to teach english? Okay, thanks. |
Welcome to the forum.
It sounds like you're jumping right into Poland. I admire your courage.
Since you already have your tickets you may as well come out here and look for work.
But you should know that just being a native speaker isn't always enough. You may want to get a CELTA or TEFL and you should have a university degree, although I hear that some people find work without degrees.
Also the visa situation is headache, but you may find a school that will help you get one although this may involve flying back to Canada.
As far as visa runs, it's not a big problem. But if you're going to be here for a number of years then getting a visa is the way to go.
Last edited by gregoryfromcali on Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:01 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Alex Shulgin
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| As far as visa runs, it's not a big problem. But if you're going to be here for a number of years then getting a is the way to go. |
Visa runs are a problem. You can only make one. Let me say it again just in case you missed it the first time round:
to be in Poland for more than 183 days in any 365 day period you need a resident's visa with permission to work stuck in your passport and those will only be issued in the country where you are legally resident. |
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tbiehl2000
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I contacted the Polish consulate in the US and I was informed that as long a citizen of the US leaves Poland every 90 days he can stay in Poland legally. NOw I am just reporting what I was told by the Polish Consulate. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some Polish authorities differ or are less educated concerning Polish immigration laws etc. I personally know of some US citizens who have made more than one visa run. Perhaps they just got lucky at the border but it seems fairly common.
I didn't miss it the first time Shulgin. Maybe you are right Shulgin but again I'm just reporting what I was told via email from the Polish Consulate in the US. I'd be more than willing to forward this email to anyone who's interested in reading it. Again, wouldn't surprise me if the guy at the consulate was misinformed but, and pardon me for saying this Shulgin, wouldn't surprise me if you were wrong either. Cheers (Can I say that being American and all?) |
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Alex Shulgin
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| tbiehl2000 wrote: |
| I contacted the Polish consulate in the US and I was informed that as long a citizen of the US leaves Poland every 90 days he can stay in Poland legally. NOw I am just reporting what I was told by the Polish Consulate. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some Polish authorities differ or are less educated concerning Polish immigration laws etc. I personally know of some US citizens who have made more than one visa run. Perhaps they just got lucky at the border but it seems fairly common. |
You are legally allowed to make one visa run. You might get lucky on your second or you might not. Depends which train you take and at what time.
Here is the info from the London consulate website:
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INFORMATION
for person applying for a permission to reside for a specified period on the territory of the Republic of Poland.
According to the Aliens Act of 13th June 2003 an alien may be issued a permission to reside for a specified period if circumstances justifying such residence on the territory of the Republic of Poland for the period longer than 3 months shall be demonstrated.
Such circumstances may be:
1. obtaining an employment permission or performing other paid work in Poland,
2. conducting economic activities in Poland,
3. taking up studies in Poland,
4. the contraction of marriage with a Polish citizen or an alien having a permission to settle in Poland.
A permission to reside for a specified period may be issued for 2 years.
A permission to reside for a specified period is granted or may be refused by the Voivode appropriate with regard to the place of intended sojourn of an alien.
An alien staying abroad shall apply for a permission through a Polish diplomatic mission or a consular office appropriate with regard to the place of sojourn. An alien staying on the territory of the Republic of Poland shall apply to the Voivode appropriate with regard to the place of sojourn. |
http://www.polishconsulate.co.uk/_eg/reside.php |
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gregoryfromcali
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Visa runs are a problem. You can only make one. Let me say it again just in case you missed it the first time round:
to be in Poland for more than 183 days in any 365 day period you need a resident's visa with permission to work stuck in your passport and those will only be issued in the country where you are legally resident. |
Alex, relax.
There are Americans coming in and out of Poland all the time, without visas.
I was one of them, until I got a visa.
Let me say it again just in case you missed it the first time around. Sometimes you have to slow a class down for those who are slow learners.
If you are coming to Poland for a short time, then don't worry about the visa. Look for a job with a good school and they will help you get a visa and a work permit.
If you plan on working in Poland for a long time then you should get a visa, although I have met a lot of Americans who simply make visa runs.
Who knows maybe it was a problem for Alex, because some people want him out of the country.
Seriously though, I personally wouldn't want to work without papers for very long, because Alex is right in that you could be denied entry and it is tougher for North Americans to find work as a result. |
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Alex Shulgin
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| gregoryfromcali wrote: |
| If you are coming to Poland for a short time, then don't worry about the visa. Look for a job with a good school and they will help you get a visa and a work permit. |
Care to explain how to get a work permit without a visa with permission to work? You know, the kind of visa which is not issued at the border and which can only be issued in the country which the applicant is legally resident in. If you know the law better than immigration lawyers do share it with us
While you are at it why don't you explain what comebacks somebody who is working illegally has when their boss says "I'm not paying you what I owe you."
| gregoryfromcali wrote: |
Alex, relax.
There are Americans coming in and out of Poland all the time, without visas. |
Tell it to the girl who got stuck in Germany.
Tell it to the guy who got stuck in Czech.
Tell it to the guy who got stuck in Slovakia.
Tell it to the guy who got stuck in Kalingrad.
Tell it to the girl who got hit with a huge fine when she tried to leave Poland.
Tell them to relax.
I've been here a while and I've known plenty of people who thought that it was cool to work illegally. Most of them met with sticky ends. |
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