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[taniab]

I am starting up an English language school in London and would be very grateful if people could tell me the average wage for someone, with only very very basic TEFL training, teaching English to foreign people in the UK as i am finding it hard to assess what the going rate is.

I would be really grateful to get any replies about this subject.


Regards,


Tania

[moot point]

Depends where you are but expect about 75 quid an hour, although this usually entails only 45 minutes of teaching .

[Gordon]

This seems like a strange request. If you are opening a school, I would expect that you have an idea of your market, know your competition, and have a business plan. You shouldn't have to ask strangers on the internet what you should pay your employees. Pay them what they are worth to you. Pay them enough so that they are happy and won't steal from you.

[Gordon]

I noticed you edited your post, this is better.
What kind of school are you running where you look for people with no experience?

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk here.

[Stephen Jones]

Presumably you want the cheapest available. For London that would be around �14,000 pa Outside of London you can get people to work for as little as �8 an hour.

Find the wages at MacDonalds and add about 15% so your staff feel "professional".

But be aware that there are a lot of other people trying to milk foreign students by charging them as much as possible for the cheapest possible product.

[Will.]

A cut and paste job from the Uk forum last year.
Who will you get if you pay peanuts?
How long will students put up with inexpeerienced teachers.




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SueH





I've just seen an advertisement for a post in London offering �9 an hour.
Taking into account prep and general hanging around time that works out at about minimum wage...

Sorry about the language in the title, but really it sums the situation up.
Any comments, anybody?




dduck







It's a market economy, the UK is an English speaking country and London is a very popular place to be. If you want money you should play the game either by learning some new skill that not many people have and is in demand, or find another country where there aren't a lot of English speakers on the doorstep.

Life isn't fair.

Iain
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dyak



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SueH wrote:
I've just seen an advertisement for a post in London offering �9 an hour.

I wish I made �9 an hour.
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leeroy





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London is a very expensive place to live - one of the most in the world in fact. Market forces might well point to (most) students simply not having enough money - most of them come from economies with unfavourable exchange rates. As fun as it would be to place the blame solely on greedy bosses, I think a great deal of it has to do with students simply not having the money.

I've seen a job advertisment offering �7 an hour - that really is taking the piss.


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SueH






Market forces - hmmm. The problem where I live is the amount of work available, but the rates you can get at private language schools are at least a third more than those quoted for London.

Teaching may be more fun than some of the other jobs available (and I certainly don't want to go back to systems analysis and data flow diagrams) but I'd rather go and do some stress free agency work for effectively better pay than feel I was being exploited. If the students want to be taught in expensive London they can equally afford more expensive teachers. Otherwise go to Smethwick or Salford.

Leeroy, you sound like a serious teacher (most of the time ) - can't you get any FE college or refugee work at �18 an hour? I've seen you comment on your pay before and have thought that with your experience there must be other opportunities available for you.

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leeroy





Why thank you Sue!

Refugee work is something I wouldn't touch with a bargepole - I have heard enough to not want to even give it a try. FE work is difficult when you are degree-less, such as myself - and in any case I've no idea where to get these jobs. Only 3 years to go!

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GaryWolf




Hi Sue

I read your post. �9 per hour sounds a bit low to me. I�ve only worked in TEFL in Brazil, so I get much less than this. In your opinion, what do you think a teacher working as a business English teacher in the UK should get?

For yourself, have you thought of starting your own English school? How much experience do you have?

Anyway, good luck finding better paid work.

G Wolf

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Will.







Short and sweet, in a hurry, I had to share the latest job offer from the JES jobpoint.

English teacher
Wisdom College London

Must speak English as afirst language
Qualified graduates are welcome to apply.
Previous experience would be an advantage.

temporary position 3-9 months

�5.50 an hour.

I wonder if there is a bloke called Mr Grimsdale there?

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dyak





Will wrote:
�5.50 an hour.

We have a winner!

Jesus... why am i still here? I think London is in kind of a slump at the moment, due to the mass exodus of Eastern Europeans from the classroom. Though i have heard that it's forcing a lot of the bottom-feeder schools to close (but probably open somewhere else).

If we were French we'd be on strike i'm sure.
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SueH







Will is declared the winner!

I suppose an ability to breathe and being sentient is optional?

I'm still fascinated as to who takes these jobs. I wouldn't even do that as a student holiday job. Perhaps the authorities should be informed as they can't expect to get teachers at a few pence over minimum wage; it must be a visa mill.

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dyak





Coming in a close second is LITE Bayswater, in CENTRAL LONDON!

�100 gross part-time (2.5 hours per day, Monday to Friday)

12.5 hours a week (really 15) means you'll net �6.66 an hour! Aaagghh! The number of the beast! Run!
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SueL





Hi
Apologies for posting this in a couple of places, as various threads seem relevant.

A yahoo group has been set up for any EFL teachers interested in joining/forming a union. To subscribe, go to [email protected]. There's quite a lot of discussion on it so far. It's not country specific yet, but if lots of UK-based teachers sign up we could always set up a separate list. GMB already represent some EFL teachers in the UK, so the easiest and most effective thing may be to join them.

See also
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=22336

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