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Your working visa after you leave a company
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sprite



Joined: 01 Apr 2003
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Location: Otaru, Hokkaido, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:25 pm    Post subject: Your working visa after you leave a company Reply with quote

I came to Japan on a working visa sponsored by one of the big Eikaiwas. I worked for them for more than a year and a half, gave my notice, and left on good terms.

I actually left Japan for a few months but have come back and am doing my own thing- part time jobs, etc. My old company is not really pleased that I've come back, they're aren't that many students in this area and they don't want more competition (understandable). But one of the workers there has said that it's illegal for me to be working on this visa. I'm pretty sure she's wrong, and I know everyone does it. But how do I find out for sure? Any recommended reading?

Thanks!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming that when you left Japan and returned, if you had a reentry permit, then your visa is still valid until it expires.

That entitles you to stay here and do practically whatever you like, including working on your own, until the visa runs out. Of course, you can get hired by another employer, if you like, too.
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sprite



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, had a re-entry permit.

Thanks.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sprite wrote:
Yep, had a re-entry permit.

Thanks.


You no longer work for them. What your former employer or your former workmates think of your visa status is no longer of any consequence. You can set up a language school across the street and poach all their students if your hearts desire takes you.

You are still worried about what a former boss thinks, they have a hold on your conscience and thats a dangerous sign.
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Stosskraft



Joined: 12 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens if you leave Japan without a re-entry permit? Can you apply for one at the local embassy or do you need to restart the whole process if you return to the country?
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bshabu



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stosskraft wrote:
What happens if you leave Japan without a re-entry permit? Can you apply for one at the local embassy or do you need to restart the whole process if you return to the country?



No. When you leave Japan, they(emmigration) will stamp your visa invalid and you have to start the whole process over from your C.O.E.
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sprite



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
You are still worried about what a former boss thinks, they have a hold on your conscience and thats a dangerous sign.


Well, there are such things as references. No reason to burn bridges unnecessarily. It's not my former boss who's been making trouble, it's the current manager of my old school (who I never worked with).

But I can't say I think there's anything dangerous about being respectful to the work your former employer is doing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sprite wrote:
Well, there are such things as references. No reason to burn bridges unnecessarily. It's not my former boss who's been making trouble, it's the current manager of my old school (who I never worked with).

But I can't say I think there's anything dangerous about being respectful to the work your former employer is doing.


I have seen and heard of contracts where teachers are forbidden to work in the same town for up to a year after they quit their job which begs the question, of how they can stop a person no longer working for them or drawing wages working where he wants after he quits. Will the former employer sue them for breaking a contract which is no longer in force?

Cant do much about new managers at old schools, you can be polite and civil, but remember you no longer work for them, they have no right to tell you what to do or boss you around. You are Joe Public now.
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Grasshopper



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a similar situation actually, where I left my employer and began at a new job. My work was in a different part of the country, and when I tried to get a re-entry permit, immigration gave me a hard time. They actually made me change the visa sponsorship over.

Technically, when you leave a company you are supposed to report it to immigration, as well as find a new sponsor.

Also, immigration told me that if you aren`t employed within 3 months of quitting your job or being fired, then your work visa expires. I`m not sure how much water this holds since I found a new job before then...but just something to pay attention to.
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TL



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question. If someone leaves, without his/her alien card, would that person have trouble returning to Japan?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TL wrote:
I have a question. If someone leaves, without his/her alien card, would that person have trouble returning to Japan?


No, but technically you can be arrested by the police because you are required by law to carry it on you at all times and produce it on demand. You better have a good reason why you are not carrying it.
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pnksweater



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul- you are required by law to carry your foreign registration card OR you passport at all times. So when your new card is being processed, you're supposed to haul your passport everywhere. This is the law, but don't expect the police to know it.

If you don't have a re-entry stamp you will have to give up your card at immigration at the Japanese airport. In that case, returning sans card is expected.

You are required to update you card anytime anything changes- job, visa status, address... it says so on that little slip of paper you get each time you get a new card.

OP, how long were you gone? Without an employer your visa is indeed time sensitive. How immigration handles it though is up to them. Sometimes they forget about this rule. Sometimes they don't notice how long you've been unemployed. When you do find your new job make sure to change your employer with your ward and immigration.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pnksweater wrote:
Paul- you are required by law to carry your foreign registration card OR you passport at all times. So when your new card is being processed, you're supposed to haul your passport everywhere. This is the law, but don't expect the police to know it.
ion.


Dont know if you know now, but in an effort to combat terrorism and root out rogue foreign terrorists, the govt here is passing a law that you have to produce your passport on demand if you want to check into a hotel. Tourists usually have their passport but this is being demanded or expected of foreign residents as well, or you risk being denied a room.

You are not required to show your gaijin card to anyone except police customs or the appropriate authorities. You dont even have to show it to a video store clerk.

Another erosion of our civil liberties
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sprite



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grasshopper wrote:
Also, immigration told me that if you aren`t employed within 3 months of quitting your job or being fired, then your work visa expires. I`m not sure how much water this holds since I found a new job before then...but just something to pay attention to.


How is being "employed" defined? One full time job with a company sponsoring you? Several part-time jobs? teaching private lessons full-time?
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Grasshopper



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Question. And it probably depends on which immigration you're dealing with and which clerk you get quite frankly.

I have heard a number of different things about sponsorship, etc. In order to get a proper work visa if you're not married to a Japanese, or to someone who has one, you have to have a sponsor. And if you leave that employer, you're supposed to report it to immigration. I think if you don't change areas, & your previous employer doesn't throw a fit, it's probably not a big deal. But if you change areas, it's a red light for immigration if you have to do something like get a re-entry permit. And they may say you need a new sponsor, which could be a new employer. Or I also found out that it is possible to self-sponsor, and please don't ask me about it, because I don't know. I just heard that if you were able to prove you were making a certain amount, & no doubt curry favor with whatever immigration department you are working through, then you could self-sponsor.

I'm sorry this doesn't help much in terms of an answer...my guess is that the answer varies anyway.

G.
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