Job Discussion Forums

[MatthewJust]

Hello all!

I am moving to Taiwan in January and I have been looking for jobs online. I have been regularly checking the job listings on Dave's and buxiban.com. Are there any other popular ones that Taiwanese schools/colleges advertise on?

Thanks,


Matthew

[clark.w.griswald]

I hate to say it but I think that you will find www.tealit.com to be the best Taiwan specific board for jobs. Just stay away from their heavily moderated forum!

Also www.forumosa.com is getting more jobs all the time and many of these jobs are being offered throuh foreign staff in the schools which hopefully will ensure no misunderstandings.

[MatthewJust]

Thanks Clark.

Is the TEALIT forum over-moderated?


Matthew

[argonfly707]

Dear Matthew,

I had luck with a recruiting company called dewey. I am not sure if you want to go the recruiter way but Andrew (email:[email protected]) helped me a lot to find a job. I talked to the school he was representing and now I am here working at a good job. You can go to the site at
http://www.esldewey.com.tw/ and look at the job map. But some people say don't go with recuriters so its up to you.

Argon

[MatthewJust]

Thanks argonfly.

I saw the de-way ads on some job sites. I'm not sure I really want to use an agent though.


Matthew

[Pop Fly]

[MatthewJust]

Pop Fly, thanks for the heads up on Tealit and Forumosa. I hadn't intended to use their forums anyway as it is not my first time to Taiwan. This board seems much more active anyway.

Thanks also for the link to Taiwan Ho. The forums there look really extensive. It'll take some reading


Matthew

[surrealia]

Try this page for a lot of job links:

http://www.geocities.com/allhou/teachlinks.htm

[TaoyuanSteve]

I hear the sound of axes a-grinding. I disagree with the comments about forumosa. I understand popfly has his issues with certain personalities and admin on that site, but that doesn't change the fact that it is one of THE best resources for information about Taiwan. It's also the best way to connect with expats socially. The information, contacts and offline friends I've gained from that site have all had an enormously positive impact on my life. One would be silly not to give it a look if they plan to live in Taiwan.

[Pop Fly]

[clark.w.griswald]

I agree with both of you.

I feel that that site is a great resource for teachers, but you certainly need to pick through the prickly bits and god forbid should you happen to post something that the majority view disagree with. Things seem to get very personal very quickly over there and maybe it is the very 'family' that it is that sees this happen. Treading on others turf and all. We certainly have our disagreements over here too, but I would think that most discussions remain quite civil.

Something that I find a bit odd over there is the way that a board that holds itself up as being a foundation for foreigners in Taiwan, can so easily come to persecute foreigners who happen to be in Taiwan. I think that Pop Fly's experience is a good example of this. I think that it was disgusting the way that his posts were treated. He had an idea. He took it to the board for discussion. Instead of receiving constructive criticism, it became a pissing contest among people who i suspect are all words and no action. Pop Fly was trying to actually achieve something that many foreign teachers wanted, and a number of people who didn't need that service chose to rip it apart rather than just moving onto the next post.

I think that this is the main problem with that board. I think the mod's are pretty reasonable! Most of the time

[MatthewJust]

Thanks for the interesting posts (although I am still puzzled about what idea Pop Fly might have suggested).

I checked out TaiwanHo and it is a really nice board. I did notice that many threads I read started mid-2004 and still had recent replies (but only a dozen posts in total). Guess its not the place for a quick response (unlike here).

I'll have a look at the Forumosa board when I get the chance and judge for myself. I've visited to Taiwan a number of times before so hopefully I won't be asking too many newbie questions.


Matthew

[Pop Fly]

Of course one would be most obtuse to ignore f.com as a resource. As your stats point out, it is chock-a-block full a data. I am merely here to warn others that it is not the "friendly" community it purports itself to be. And this statement does not apply to the majority of posters over there either. It's a few rotten apples that spoil the whole barrel.

Likewise, as individuals, the moderating team are, by far and large, fair and honorable. It is collectively that I feel they need to check themselves a little more closely. The notion of a "Star Chamber" is a fine example of what I mean by egotistical prats. They are the very definition of a kangaroo court. Closed door sessions without granting even the accused access to the preceedings is far from open, honest discussion, especially when the subject matter is so touchy as a banishment.

As much as they claim to be open to criticism, the minute anything cuts too close to the bone, the wagons get circled and the locks come out. The "old boys" network protects its own and beware the innocent who dares to speak out against any of them.

My experience aside, let's look to a couple of recent examples of foumosan gang-banging: The new pizza joint opened by Alleycat's brother-in-law or the person who wanted to start an MLM on cyber-communications packages are two fine examples of how nasty things get. Sure, the latter is, for most, a wholly unpallattable concept, but as an example of how nasty things can get, one need look no further than that thread. As to the former, look how quickly the business was judged without the judges ever stepping foot in the establishment. Alleycats and its proprieters are fine people and loved by all f.comers, but look how badly a start-up business was hurt. look how it forced a guy who was treading in unfamiliar waters into a most unfortunate response. His insult was regrettable, but I am equally sure it would never had been posted had he not been so goaded into ire by the mob mentality of f.com.

That's only 2 recent experiences. Let's look at a couple of start-ups that receive(d) rave reviews from the f.comers: WWRN and Jim Edstein's Satellite business. Well, Ryan of WWRN certainly turned out to be a valued member of the community, didn't he? With support from the very top echelons of F.com, many people were taken in by this con. Did the powers that be apologize for their serious lack of good judgement? If so, I must have missed it.

As to the satellite guy, well, plain and simple, he is making a wheelbarrow full of money while supplying an illegal service. I wonder how long he'd be in business if his business was brought to the attention of the fair business practice commission in Taiwan? As for his personality, well....again, look how quickly ranks were closed to protect him when a dissatisfied consumer came forward with a legitimate gripe. The consumer made some very serious allegations about the very nature of this man. The OP was immediately squelched by the powers that be and forced from the scene. He subsequently found a voice at the Ho and was given a fair and objective platform to raise his concerns. No floundering or flaming involved.

So, f.com seems unable to judge good from bad. If you aren't part of the network, you'll be run out of town on the rails. Regardless of quality of content, if you play the game their way, you'll be given carte blanche to promote any business, legal or not.

No, for my money and time, I am better served by contributing to The Ho and Dave's. F.com is a wholly hypocritical site that can keep its backstabbing ways to itself.

Now, on a personal note, that prat MapoSquid continues to lob barbs my way even tho I am long gone from the scene. His none-too-thinly-veiled attack at me in the last couple of weeks proves what an immature little fop this guy really is. I haven't been on the scene for 4 or 5 months, yet this coward continues to fan the flames of a very tired old battle. I am not at all surprised by this and this incident is not the main thesis of my current rant. When it was brought to my attention that he was again drudging up the old chestnut, I requested that the admin remove (flame) it. They (he) didn't even dignify my request with a response, much less an action. They claim that no personal attacks will be left to stand, yet, there it is, for all to see, in perpetuity.

So, buyer beware. F.com is a good resource for information. But if you are looking for on online community to become involved with, steer clear of this place, unless hypocrisy and nepotism are what you enjoy.

Hey, don't just take my word for it. Look how many others have jumped ship. Wolf, Hakkasonic, BuLaiEn among other great former personalities of the site no longer darken its cyber-door. No sir, you can have it. Me, I am proud to be a glorified ex-member.

Oh, and as we are on the subject, I wasn't banned for the reasons stated by his holiness. I was banned because I, in his holiness' estimation, betrayed his confidence. He told me something about his opinion of MapoSquid and when squid initiated harrassing PMs, I responded, mentioning what his nibs had said. When Squid went crying to the knob on top, I was banned by him and him alone. Which is ludicrous in it's own right as I had ceased a public persona by my own hand some 6 weeks prior. But whatever....if he needs to feel all that powerful, far be it for me to dissent. Just another example of how hypocritcal f.com is. Can't be bothered to tell the truth cuz that would mean a loss of face. How very Taiwanese of them(him).

Click on "banned members" and see his reason for banning me. Complete and utter bollocks. I was sent a harrassing PM so I responded with a volley of 3 back, all of which where couched in such a way as to lower myself to the level of the original harrassment. I was never warned, nor was my case brought before the much-ballyhooed Star Chamber. I was banned by admin because I upset his delicate balance of face, but he would never admit this. Coward!

As for the Great Dane, I am happy he finally got his wish. I hope he will continue to be an outspoken voice of reason in an all too sweltering sea of toadying. However, if he does, I fear the night of a thousand knives will fall on his corner of the hill.

TS, I am happy you find f.com to be such a glorious community. As you yourself have noted, it has made you a better, wiser poster. I am glad, because you were once just as judgemental as those that I abhor. I think (hope) we have resolved our differences and can now contribute to this (Dave's) site in a mature and respectful fashion. Let me end my rant with a hypothetical question;

If Taoyuan Steve had a business idea, would he go to f.com to discuss it and to drum up support for it?

[Pop Fly]

[Pop Fly]