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TokyoLiz
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 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: Cambridge DELTA - recognized in US? |
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Is the Cambridge DELTA qualification useful in the US? Who's interested in it - private schools, colleges?
I know the program is offered in the US and Canada.
Any info appreciated. |
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ls650
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridge DELTA - recognized in US? |
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| TokyoLiz wrote: |
| Is the Cambridge DELTA qualification useful in the US? Who's interested in it - private schools, colleges? |
If you have any kind of university degree, not really. You might be able to use a DELTA to get a job with a language school, but it means nothing to any college or university. |
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valley_girl
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridge DELTA - recognized in US? |
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| ls650 wrote: |
| TokyoLiz wrote: |
| Is the Cambridge DELTA qualification useful in the US? Who's interested in it - private schools, colleges? |
If you have any kind of university degree, not really. You might be able to use a DELTA to get a job with a language school, but it means nothing to any college or university. |
This is not the case in Canada. A CELTA or DELTA combined with a related degree (English, education, linguistics, etc.) is generally considered to be an asset for English language instructors working in Canadian universities. These programs are often more highly regarded than any TESL certificate (or TESOL).
Edited to add: I know the original query is specifically about the U.S. I'd be interested to know if what IS560 says is true for American universities. |
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Jizzo T. Clown
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Re: the DELTA and unis in the US, my department head has never heard of the DELTA.
Furthermore, 9 out of 10 unis won't hire you unles you've got an MA TESOL or related, or are an MA TESOL student with overseas experience. |
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ls650
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridge DELTA - recognized in US? |
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| valley_girl wrote: |
| This is not the case in Canada. A CELTA or DELTA combined with a related degree (English, education, linguistics, etc.) is generally considered to be an asset for English language instructors working in Canadian universities. |
Hmm: that certainly doesn't agree with my knowledge of the Canadian TEFL scene. |
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taikibansei
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridge DELTA - recognized in US? |
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| valley_girl wrote: |
| Edited to add: I know the original query is specifically about the U.S. I'd be interested to know if what IS560 says is true for American universities. |
IS560 is correct--a DELTA will not help you get a university position in the States. I've been on several hiring committees for ESL-related hires, and possession of a DELTA never influenced our decision.
For part-time positions (possibly full-time at a community college), you now need at least a Masters. However, full-time positions at most US universities now typically require a PhD, teaching experience, and multiple publications. |
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taikibansei
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Jizzo T. Clown wrote: |
| or are an MA TESOL student with overseas experience. |
Jizzo's also right about this one exception. I.e., you can sometimes get part-time university jobs as a currently attending MA TESOL student, especially if you have overseas teaching experience as well. |
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valley_girl
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Cambridge DELTA - recognized in US? |
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| ls650 wrote: |
| valley_girl wrote: |
| This is not the case in Canada. A CELTA or DELTA combined with a related degree (English, education, linguistics, etc.) is generally considered to be an asset for English language instructors working in Canadian universities. |
Hmm: that certainly doesn't agree with my knowledge of the Canadian TEFL scene. |
What is your knowledge of the Canadian TEFL scene then? (That should read TESL, shouldn't it?  ) I've taught at two Canadian universities and I firmly stand by what I said. |
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Gordon
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| CELTA and DELTA are not well known in NA. Very sad considering the DELTA is an excellent teacher training program, IMO. I think a DELTA prepares you better than a masters degree to teach as it is very practical while much of a masters is not. |
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TokyoLiz
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:10 am Post subject: Thank you for replies! |
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| Wow, thanks folks. It confirms what I had suspected - that DELTA is not widely recognized in the US. |
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TokyoLiz
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: MA path |
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IS560 is correct--a DELTA will not help you get a university position in the States. I've been on several hiring committees for ESL-related hires, and possession of a DELTA never influenced our decision.
For part-time positions (possibly full-time at a community college), you now need at least a Masters. However, full-time positions at most US universities now typically require a PhD, teaching experience, and multiple publications |
Does it matter where you did your MA TESOL? Do they prefer MA Linguistics to TESOL? |
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taikibansei
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: Re: MA path |
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| TokyoLiz wrote: |
| Does it matter where you did your MA TESOL? Do they prefer MA Linguistics to TESOL? |
Good questions. Unfortunately, my answer depends completely on the kind and location of the university. For a community college position in most states, as long as you have an MA from an accredited university (allowing the HR people to check off the pertinent box), then the major emphasis will be on the quality and quantity of your teaching experience. In other words, they are not going to reject someone with otherwise great teaching credentials just because the degree is an MA TESOL and not an MA in linguistics.
It's much more difficult to make sweeping statements about 4-year universities--do you have a specific university (or two) in mind? However, with just the MA, you'll have a very difficult time finding more than adjunct work at most of these places.
Hope this helps! |
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Jizzo T. Clown
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Most ads I see for ESL teachers require an MA TESOL, English, or related field, so I would probably go with the TESOL, but to each his own I guess.
Can't speak for a DELTA better-preparing you to teach since I've not taken the course, but the MA TESOL program here does include a teaching component--the final 6 hours of college credit (read: 6 hours/week X 14 weeks, you do the math) can either be an overseas internship, public school internship, or intensive ESL program work; in which you must apply everything you've learned and sort of "experiement" on your students, culminating with a final written report/thesis to the department head. |
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