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svrart



Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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Location: Lanzhou, Gansu, China

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:57 am    Post subject: Visa and living location Reply with quote

Hello all,

After the end of my present contract I would like to live in a smaller village. The school wont be able to get me a visa or residence permit. So what are my options? Could I get a business / tourist visa for 6 months to a year? Do I need a residence permit to live in this village? How can this be handled? What other things do I need to think of when doing this?

Thanks much for your input.
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Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to get a grip on the fundamental legal differences between China and where you come from!

You are NOT supposed to "live" in a village unless you are a paying guest at some hotel that has to be approved to house foreign nationals.

You can easily obtain a 6-month tourist visa - but you are not allowed to rent premises for living.
That's the spirit of the law, anyway; lots of people breach such legal provisions.
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Spiderman Too



Joined: 15 Aug 2004
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Location: Caught in my own web

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger's advice contradicts my understanding of the applicable law.

With an 'F' visa or a 'Z' visa (actually I should really call it an F.R.P.) you can rent any premises in any part of China where foreigners are allowed to enter provided that the premises are approved by the PBS for occupation by a foreigner.

One F.T. told me that an apartment he chose was initially rejected by PBS but after the landlord installed a new front door and a security grille on a balcony, the place was subsequently approved.

I do recall one forum poster recently reported that he moved into an apartment that was approved by the PBS only to be subsequently ordered to leave by the P.L.A. because they deemed him to be living too close to an army installation.

Anyway, do a search on these 2 websites:-

http://english.gov.cn/index.htm

http://www.chinatoday.com/
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svrart



Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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Location: Lanzhou, Gansu, China

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Spiderman,

Thanks for the info.

I know roger is wrong, because currently I know many foreign teachers on tourist visas living legally in houses (not hotels).


Also thanks for the links.
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Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

svrart wrote:
Hi Spiderman,

Thanks for the info.

I know roger is wrong, because currently I know many foreign teachers on tourist visas living legally in houses (not hotels).

Also thanks for the links.


You know what exactly? Zero, rien de rien, niente, nothing, nada - that's why7 such stupid questions land here in the first place.
Even if "spiderman" is right it means you will have to deal with the cops in order to be "legal". I doubt there are PSB people in every locale that have heard of such laws that allow laowais to rent their abodes from a landlord!
I know the PSB look the other way in not a few cases, but that doesn't necesssarily make the situation of a tourist legal!

It is legal if you live in an estate that has its own security personnel! That's at least one bit I have found to be a distinct possibility.
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Louras



Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: Question Reply with quote

I don't think the question is whether this is legal or not. It obviously isn't. Doable? Yeah, it's been done thousands of times without repercussions. Go for it!! Roger is just an annoying scottish terrier nipping at your heels cause he's alone w@nking off about this forum.
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Spiderman Too



Joined: 15 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clarifications:-

I referred to holders of 'F' (business) visas and F.R.P.s only, not holders of 'L' (tourist) visas.

Every foreigner in China must be registered with the local (nearest) PSB. If a foreigner stays at a hotel, then the hotel will do the registration. If you live on campus, the school will register you.

If the foreigner rents premises on his/her own, they must register themselves. A big fine applies if you don't register.

So, you MUST deal with the PSB if you going to arrange your own accommodation, or face a big fine.

When registering with the PSB they may elect to inspect your accommodation. According to the fellow who gave me the information, it's no big deal.
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