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ssphinx



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: What should I expect? Reply with quote

I am new to the Japanese board here and I was wondering what kind of jobs can I expect to find or what kind of jobs I will be able to get.

Here is my experience and qualifications:

I have a Bachelor's Degree and the RSA/Cambridge Certificate (CELTA) with 7 years teaching experience in EFL.

I have spent the past 4 years teaching at a Korean University and I have 3 more years experience divided between langugae institutes in both Korea and Vietnam.

I have also taught film production classes for 2 years at an American Community College.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: What should I expect? Reply with quote

ssphinx wrote:
I am new to the Japanese board here and I was wondering what kind of jobs can I expect to find or what kind of jobs I will be able to get.

Here is my experience and qualifications:

I have a Bachelor's Degree and the RSA/Cambridge Certificate (CELTA) with 7 years teaching experience in EFL.

I have spent the past 4 years teaching at a Korean University and I have 3 more years experience divided between langugae institutes in both Korea and Vietnam.

I have also taught film production classes for 2 years at an American Community College.


With a BA you can expect a job working at a conversation school, as an ALT working at a high school or working at a dispatch company.

With no Masters degree you dont qualify for university jobs
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: What should I expect? Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
With no Masters degree you dont qualify for university jobs


While what Paul says seems generally to be the case in Japan today, I'll just mention that of the people who have been hired for 2-year EFL contract positions at my university the vast majority have not had an MA. On the other hand, most of these people didn't go through a full application and vetting process but rather simply had their name put forward by someone and then were processed through the system. In some cases a contact at a sister university would put forward a name and this person was just rubber stamped through. (I might be worth checking whether your university has a sister campus in Japan and if so who are the contact people.) In other cases, it was just a case of someone knows someone and we needed someone immediately. Usually someone local. At present there is absolutely no one at the entire university officially tasked with finding people for these positions.

On the other hand, during the one year that I was part of a formal search committee and we posted a job announcement on Dave's we did get over 300 applications and all of the finalists had an MA in TESOL/Linguistics and several years of full-time university teaching experience.

The moral? If you have to compete for a posted position your chances without an MA are slim and none. But it might still be possible to somehow slip in through one of the many informal hiring processes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: What should I expect? Reply with quote

Abu, just for the record, I am now on my second full time contract and in 2003, and 2004 I was hunting for full time jobs to replace the one that was ending. I have a Masters in TESOL and publications. All the ones i applied to (about 50) all requested a Masters degree. My current university requires a masters in TESOL/English as well as japanese ability. One of my friends applied to 75 schools nationwide in 2003 and he has a PhD.

In a recent 2003 Language teacher article about getting jobs it said about out of 40-50 job ads about 50% specifically asked for a Masters degree. I have seen people on these forums say they know people with no Masters degree but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule, and I have even seen one on Kyushu (kagoshima) that offers eikaiwa wages at a university for someone with no degree.

In my humble experience of job hunting over the last few years and in view of the fact his job rivals will all have Masters and/or a PhD I would say he is greatly outgunned in the qualifications department, would need some special skills the others dont have, or its the school president's pet gaijin from a sister school (sometimes done as a favor or a "scratch my back I scratch yours" deal with the other school.



abufletcher wrote:
PAULH wrote:
With no Masters degree you dont qualify for university jobs


While what Paul says seems generally to be the case in Japan today, I'll just mention that of the people who have been hired for 2-year EFL contract positions at my university the vast majority have not had an MA. On the other hand, most of these people didn't go through a full application and vetting process but rather simply had their name put forward by someone and then were processed through the system. In some cases a contact at a sister university would put forward a name and this person was just rubber stamped through. (I might be worth checking whether your university has a sister campus in Japan and if so who are the contact people.) In other cases, it was just a case of someone knows someone and we needed someone immediately. Usually someone local. At present there is absolutely no one at the entire university officially tasked with finding people for these positions.

On the other hand, during the one year that I was part of a formal search committee and we posted a job announcement on Dave's we did get over 300 applications and all of the finalists had an MA in TESOL/Linguistics and several years of full-time university teaching experience.

The moral? If you have to compete for a posted position your chances without an MA are slim and none. But it might still be possible to somehow slip in through one of the many informal hiring processes.
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ssphinx



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your answers. I had the feeling that is how it would work.

I plan to come to Japan in 2 weeks time and look for work.

Do you have any suggestions on how to find a decent job that doesn't over work its teachers with ample time off to travel a bit and to work on an online MA?

I realize that is probably a loaded or impossible question to answer, but any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssphinx wrote:
Thanks for your answers. I had the feeling that is how it would work.

I plan to come to Japan in 2 weeks time and look for work.

Do you have any suggestions on how to find a decent job that doesn't over work its teachers with ample time off to travel a bit and to work on an online MA?

I realize that is probably a loaded or impossible question to answer, but any help would be greatly appreciated!


Other than university work, I don't know any employer in Japan that gives ample time off.
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canuck



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
Other than university work, I don't know any employer in Japan that gives ample time off.


You should look into teaching at a private high school etc. Depending on the situation, many have as much time off as university teachers, or more, with paid vacations. (I'm not talking about working through a dispatch company, but working directly for the school.)

ssphinx wrote:
I realize that is probably a loaded or impossible question to answer, but any help would be greatly appreciated!


Without being extremely lucky, you're going to have to put in some time, get a job and start looking for a better job. With enough time after you settle in, you'll be able to find an eikaiwa job easy enough. You're probably coming at the best time for hiring.

Without knowing someone and being in the right place at the right time, finding a decent job with generous holidays will be difficult. To maximize your chances, I would head to one of the bigger cities in Japan, base yourself there and keep applying over the internet, being flexible to travel.

You haven't mentioned your age or nationality, so getting a company that will sponsor you will take some effort too, as most positions that are advertized have a bunch of people applying, and most are set up and have a visa already. Having a CELTA will help, but many companies take the bird in hand approach, and once they see a teacher that fits, they'll snap him/her up, rather than trying to find the best candidate or someone with more experience like you have.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should clarify ample, I currently get 5 months off paid. That isn't the norm though, but not too far off.
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssphinx wrote:

I plan to come to Japan in 2 weeks time and look for work.


I've never thought of this as a useful way to get a quality EFL job. This idea of just dropping into a country to look for work as an English teacher seems tied to the idea of selling oneself as a gaijin vs. as a teaching professional.

In my 22 years in EFL I have always stuck with whatever my current job was while I applied via post and/or email for that next position. Of course much of this was dictated by the fact that I had a family and just up and leaving wasn't an option.

BTW, how did working at a Vietnamese university compare with teaching in Korea?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do you want to work? Obviously, the bigger the city, the higher the odds of having job ads posted there.

To find work in a private high school, you are still going to have to count on a lot of luck. I'm in one now, and I found it advertised in The Japan Times, but since that time four years ago, I have yet to see more than a handful of private HS ads there. Most seem to be advertised quietly or through word of mouth or in Japanese.

Coming in 2 weeks? There still isn't going to be much advertised, and I think you are going to have to settle for an eikaiwa job. Luck, networking, and a lot of persistence will play a lot in your success.

What do you mean by ample time off? Most jobs here give you roughly a week off for Golden Week, a week or so for Obon, and 10-14 days for the Christmas/New Year break. Some places don't even do that, and some don't give you those as PAID days off. Schedules. Well, newbie eikaiwa workers might not have 2 consecutive days off for a weekend (Sunday and Tuesday, for example), and you won't get days off until you have worked for 6 months. Moreover, eikaiwa schedules are often from 1pm to 9pm, not leaving you much time for yourself except the morning, and since shops open around 10, you are pretty limited to what you can do then.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: What should I expect? Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
All the ones i applied to (about 50)...


Just my point. You applied. There is a serious amount of competition for most advertised positions and the winner will invariably have an MA and several years of university teaching experience (at the least). Still, I wonder how many people without MA's there are around Japan teaching first year general ed English (so-called ENAP = English for No Apparent Purpose Very Happy ) at Japanese universities nationwide.

As an EFL teaching professional I tend to support the view that only properly credentialed and trained professionals should be hired to teach EFL at the university level (proper credentials being an MA in Linguistics or TESOL). I suppose this is the unionist's view on things. And even though my own BA and MA were in Linguistics, I've honestly come to think of that kind of training as less and less relevant to the classroom.

Nevertheless, I have to admit that given the ridiculous institutional retraints on university-level general ed EFL (typcially mixed ability classes of up to 60 deeply unmotivated/resentful/lazy students meeting once or twice a week) I doubt that an MA itself is a significant factor in teacher performance.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: What should I expect? Reply with quote

abufletcher wrote:
Just my point. You applied. There is a serious amount of competition for most advertised positions and the winner will invariably have an MA and several years of university teaching experience (at the least). Still, I wonder how many people without MA's there are around Japan teaching first year general ed English (so-called ENAP = English for No Apparent Purpose Very Happy ) at Japanese universities nationwide.


I know six people that just have a BA and teach part-time at universities. All of them heard about the position through a friend and someone recommended them. I also know a few people who teach at 3 or 4 universities and do between 3 and 4 koma a day.

It's interesting to hear the stuggles of short-term contracts for full-timers, but these guys have had stable work at the same universities for 10+ years. I was talking to one and he said that even if he loses one day, he could still pick up some more classes eventually, but the chances of losing everything was very, very, very slim. Why bother teaching full-time and having the stress of having to find a new job and moving house if you don't want to?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: What should I expect? Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
It's interesting to hear the stuggles of short-term contracts for full-timers, but these guys have had stable work at the same universities for 10+ years. I was talking to one and he said that even if he loses one day, he could still pick up some more classes eventually, but the chances of losing everything was very, very, very slim. Why bother teaching full-time and having the stress of having to find a new job and moving house if you don't want to?


Canuck,

I can only speak for myself, but when I taught part time I was teaching at five schools sometimes over twenty classes a week for about ten years.

Your friends many be single and have no dependents but I have a family here and need a minimum secure income. teaching twenty classes a week and commuting all over Kansai (90-120 minutes one way in some cases) took its toll after ten years and I was simply worn out with no time to do anything else. not to mention all that marking and grading.

I now teach 12-13 classes a week which is a lot for a full timer but its more than made up for by all the other perks that part timers dont get (3 months bonus, research grants,I even get a housing subsidy).

the 3 year contract is the most stressful thing for me right now, but for your friends its also a matter of them not being able to apply for many full time jobs, if they dont have publications and a Masters degree. I know of people who do and work part time, its just a matter of personal preference.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: What should I expect? Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
I can only speak for myself, but when I taught part time I was teaching at five schools sometimes over twenty classes a week for about ten years.

Your friends many be single and have no dependents but I have a family here and need a minimum secure income. teaching twenty classes a week and commuting all over Kansai (90-120 minutes one way in some cases) took its toll after ten years and I was simply worn out with no time to do anything else. not to mention all that marking and grading.

I now teach 12-13 classes a week which is a lot for a full timer but its more than made up for by all the other perks that part timers dont get (3 months bonus, research grants,I even get a housing subsidy).

the 3 year contract is the most stressful thing for me right now, but for your friends its also a matter of them not being able to apply for many full time jobs, if they dont have publications and a Masters degree. I know of people who do and work part time, its just a matter of personal preference.


Interesting. I know some married teachers that have been here over 15+ years and teach 3 to 4 koma, at the same universities for over 8+ years. But you're right, most of the teachers I know are single that work at the universities, with a 3 day a week schedule doing about 3 classes a day. The long term teachers I know at universities don't view it as unstable though. Interesting hearing it from your perspective though.
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