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Sinobear



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Newbies, how serious are you? Reply with quote

You've obviously have put some time and effort into your decision to give China a try. Take some time and peruse the following link as part of your research.

Read this...all of it. Although Uriel Wittenberg is recently deceased, his trials and tribulations are still our onus as teachers today.


http://www.urielw.com/china/index.htm


Cheers! And the best of luck.

Superdave: Uriel's passing is on the index page here: http://www.urielw.com/index.htm

I should mention that a lot of the problems he faced regarding student attitudes and discipline and the administration's lack of action are still quite predominant today.


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superdave01



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uriel died? someone finally beat him to death? more info please.
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Mytime



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love this snippet. Seems nothing changes.
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Let me climb a little further out on this frail limb and say I have often been led in the past month to question just how effectively the Chinese manage to communicate even amongst themselves. It is stupefying how the most mundane messages -- "Can I get my own copy of the key to the photocopy room?" -- do not seem readily transferable from one Chinese speaker to another. When I attempt to convey a simple question of this kind via one of my student translators, a prolonged barrage of Chinese give and take ensues. Then, after several minutes, a result is achieved: "No."

"Why. Not." -- is the obvious reply I transmit in return.

This question has not occurred to anyone. Another prolonged exchange follows -- and I never really find out the answer.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Newbies, how serious are you? Reply with quote

Sinobear wrote:


Superdave: Uriel's passing is on the index page here: http://www.urielw.com/index.htm

I should mention that a lot of the problems he faced regarding student attitudes and discipline and the administration's lack of action are still quite predominant today.


thx sinobear...i should have just checked the link...i didn't think to look for his obituary on his site. the guy was a complete nutter....some would agree that he was responsible for most of his problems in china....still his site offers valuable info to esl teachers...he was an intelligent guy...i always looked forward to our email sparring matches...it was never like uri to let someone get the last word...now i know the reason.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Newbies, how serious are you? Reply with quote

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uriel died? someone finally beat him to death? more info please.

Well, after reading some of his letters I know I was ready to beat him to death. The guy wrote pretty well but ... how can I put this ...

He was an idiot.

Although his posts serve as a good example of what can happen when the power trip goes to your head.

"No, Man, by all means, teach your lowest level students Hamlet. And then, when that doesn't work out, try and have two of them expelled. Your university will undoubtedly side with you, the zero-Chinese-speaking three-month contract teacher."
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently working on a Masters thesis (in Sociology) on the role of FTs in Chinese universities. I would like to come across more of these kind of stories. Have anything more to reccommend... which could also make for good newbie reading.
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Sinobear



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted the link to Uriel�s site so that newbies could see some of the trials and tribulations a FT might encounter in China. I do not feel that he was a poor, mislead FT that got taken advantage of�he did, indeed, bring most of the troubles upon himself due to his ignorance of Chinese culture and customs.
I recognize the na�vet� he had when first coming to China, and was dumbfounded at his sheer arrogance later on upon his return. However; he did bring up many interesting points that are worthy to note and situations that still can frustrate even an �old hand� in China.
To illustrate:
Exclamation Schools that misrepresent themselves, their prestige, and their offerings to FTs
Exclamation Those who are the mercy of FAOs that can speak very little to no English
Exclamation Supposed disciplinary actions for problematic students that never get enforced
Exclamation Students having the audacity to dictate what they want to learn
Exclamation Management that has no clear hierarchy and FTs not knowing exactly who does what � who is the proper person to speak to when problems arise?
Exclamation Persons being delegated to help FTs that are of no help at all
Exclamation Unclear job descriptions � course outlines that are full of �edubabble�, devoid of any real content or structure
Exclamation Lack of timely/meaningful communication between FTs and their superiors
Exclamation Acceptance of anonymous complaints by administration from students that do not get passed on to the FT involved
Exclamation Lack of cultural and language orientation for the FT
Exclamation Lack of checks and balances to insure that FTs are fulfilling their contractual obligations AND the students are fulfilling theirs
Exclamation We are supposed to be safeguarded by the contracting schools, yet that safeguarding usually consists of the FT being observed closely and his/her activities reported to administration
Exclamation We are expected to react to changes instantaneously, whereas the administration can freely choose when, where, and how they will respond to FT inquiries, problems and complaints
Exclamation If a FT has a legitimate legal issue with his/her contract, who to turn to? What are their options?

I could go on ad infinitum, but I think his website itself is the best vehicle for an insight into many of the SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures) of China�s schools that are more clearly profit-making ventures now than bastions of academic excellence.

Cheers!
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