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John101



Joined: 01 Feb 2006
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject: info please god info Reply with quote

Hi all

I would be greatful if u could help me out.

Im 23 with masters degree and tefl cert (no experiance). ive pretty much settled on going to china over the other asian countries. (I think for future career it better option) Shocked dont plan a career as a FT Rolling Eyes

Im planning on going for about a year and want to travel around as much as possible-
can you pick up jobs for 3 months easy enough Question
Prob better to get this type of work when i get there yes Question
What can i get away with visa wise Question
when is best time to go Question

Also for some one who is musically challenged and can only speak one language what are the realistic chances of being able to learn mandarin ?

are those lessons the schools advertise as a perk any good Question
Whats the deal with all the dialects can people who speak mandarin not understand other people who speak mandarin Question

I dont want to freeze my ass off in harbin. I could handle Beijing i think but im a fan of the sun. dont know if sun will be possible as south is mainly cantonese speaking Question

Oh and most importantly how much can i expect to get Question

thanks i know its long and disjointed but hey what can u do Exclamation
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neets



Joined: 31 Jan 2006
Posts: 29
Location: Currently? Australia

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: info please god info Reply with quote

John101 wrote:

can you pick up jobs for 3 months easy enough Question
Prob better to get this type of work when i get there yes Question


Not sure how easy it is - most jobs I've encountered have been 6 or more months. Picking up work once there, however, is apparently quite easy.

John101 wrote:

What can i get away with visa wise Question
when is best time to go Question


Check out the huge numbers of visa threads on these forums, they're pretty informative. The best time to go is probably at the start of a semester (2nd semester starts around the end of Feb)


John101 wrote:

Also for some one who is musically challenged and can only speak one language what are the realistic chances of being able to learn mandarin ?


I've heard it said that people who pick up mandarin best are the ones who are artistically and mathematically challenged (that was from my mandarin teacher in year 8 )... there's only one way to figure out if you'll pick it up and that's to start learning it! everything is possible with hard work.


John101 wrote:

are those lessons the schools advertise as a perk any good Question
Whats the deal with all the dialects can people who speak mandarin not understand other people who speak mandarin Question


The free lessons probably vary greatly from school to school so I'm not entirely sure. In some provinces everyone speaks mandarin, in others they have their own dialect but loads of people know mandarin, and in some provinces they're no more likely to understand mandarin than english - lots of dialects are very different to mandarin.

John101 wrote:

I dont want to freeze my ass off in harbin. I could handle Beijing i think but im a fan of the sun. dont know if sun will be possible as south is mainly cantonese speaking Question

Oh and most importantly how much can i expect to get Question


The best way to learn is probably to find a job (ie on Dave's) and then google the place to find out about weather. Otherwise grab yourself a travel guide, they are invaluable.

Most jobs will probably pay between 4000 and 5000 RMB but salaries differ due to living costs in different parts of china, workload, your qualifications and experience... but definitely shop around and you should end up with a deal you're happy with.
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tw



Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: info please god info Reply with quote

John101 wrote:
Im planning on going for about a year and want to travel around as much as possible- can you pick up jobs for 3 months easy enough Question


Only if you don't care much about having any kind of airfare reimbursement. 99.99% of employers prefer at least a 6-month contract and without a contract, you can't get work permit etc.

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when is best time to go Question


www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=33903

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Whats the deal with all the dialects can people who speak mandarin not understand other people who speak mandarin Question


Chinese people have a narrow mind when it comes to understanding outsiders. Many Davesters have pointed out that the Chinese say they can't understand them when they speak Mandarin. That's because the Chinese here don't want to make an effort or even guess. This is a common mentality reflected in the classroom: students who have learned one pronunciation will say they can't understand their new FT's English just because he/she speaks with a different accent.

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I dont want to freeze my ass off in harbin. I could handle Beijing i think but im a fan of the sun. dont know if sun will be possible as south is mainly cantonese speaking Question


Southern China includes other provincs like Fujian where they speak a completely different dialect, Guangxi, Zhejiang, Shanghai (Shanghainese), and others like Jiangxi and Hunan.

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Oh and most importantly how much can i expect to get Question


Read the threads on salary. However, because you have a Master's degree, you can get a higher salary.
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Roger



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best advice is, in your case, one that you will not appreciate for the realism in it, but it comes from the bottom of my heart:
You should save some money - if that is at all possible back home - and tour China for one year as a tourist.

Your intentions are not in line with what this market expects from foreign teachers!
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pc-pocket



Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Posts: 218

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the contrary, I think we have here a perfect match!
Why not teaching for those folks...
http://www.blcu.edu.cn/english/jobs/job1.htm#VACNCIES%20FOR%

As they do not deserve better....!!!
Their 2600RMB salary will support your copyrighted DVDs and fake nike addiction!!!

Please send immediately your email, to those qualified civil servant workers, with your outstanding qualifications:
[email protected]
[email protected]

Beijing Top Of The Line:
http://www.blcu.edu.cn/english/index.asp
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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5880
Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my advice:

1. Come to China August 1st with money in pocket. Take the month of August to sight-see and travel. Hopefully, you'll have already lined up a job, if not, use part of this month to find a job.

2. Once you've found your job, sign a half-school year contract. You'll probably get a week off on October 1st due to the national holiday. Go travel and sight-see some more at this time.

3. Many schools will give you a day or two off for Christmas. Since Christmas this year will again fall on a weekend (right?), you may get a nice 3 or 4-day weekend. Use this time to do some more traveling and sight-seeing.

4. Wrap up your job at your current school in time for Spring Festival/Chinese New Year. Some of us get up to a month off for this very important Chinese holiday. Use this time to do some more traveling and sight-seeing and pack up your belongings in preparation of moving to the next school you've lined up (although with all these holidays, it's beyond me why you'd want to go to a different school - - assuming your current job is satisfactory).

5. May 1st brings us another National week-long holiday. Use this time to do some sight seeing and traveling.

6. Come June 30th (or so), you'll be done with your second job and you could travel around (to the north where it's cooler?) and do some more sight-seeing before returning home.

Please note that all of this advice is about traveling and NOTHING about actually teaching English here in China. That seems to be less important to the OP so why bother wth that kind of advice? If you are lucky, you may well land a job where you have every weekend off. Lots of opportunities to take little day trips here and there.

Have fun!
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John101



Joined: 01 Feb 2006
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Kevin, neets, tw, and Roger

Thanks for the advice. I thought trying to get 3 month jobs was a bit ambitious but if you dont try it will never happen. Think i will try and get 6 month contract sorted out now, get there and accustomise!! my self to the culture then see about the second six months. dont think the financial penalty for doing this will be too great.

Thanks again
john Wink
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