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alisonvcartwright



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: big city or small town? Reply with quote

i'm trying to figure out my plan of action.

i want to go to china, and i think the best way possible would be to teach english.... do you need a TEFL certificate to do this in china?

i'm a photographer, currently living in New York, but i want a change and a new life experience for the next year or so. i will always want to make pictures... and i can also do that anywhere on the side....

i'm a big city person, and i love to photograph urban areas, so i figure china is a place to go in the world. but i'm split between going to a remote area in the west or sticking to a larger city in the east, where maybe i could find some freelance photo work or int'l press work as well.

anyone have any ideas?

and yes i've been reading some travel lit. i'm just feeling indecisive about all the immense possibilities.
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Spiderman Too



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your question, or I should say the answer to your question, is so very subjective Alison.

The most important factor when considering living & working in China is location. China is a very large, very diverse country. Life can be heaven or hell depending on your chosen location.

Generally speaking, I think it is much better to live in most, but not all, provincial capitals (in China).

I started my tour in a small village, 40 minutes by bus from a small city, 3 hours by bus from a big city. For me, the novelty of experiencing the �real China� was overtaken by boredom and frustration after 4 months into my 6 month term; no nightlife, no western food restaurants, no English language TV, internet access only via the school�s network, (very slow, monitored and frequent down-times), 10:00 pm curfew (the time at which the gates to the school�s compound were locked) + the last bus back to the school departed at 7:00 pm everyday, and deprivation of day-to-day groceries and the like (mouthwash, dental floss, cheese, butter, margarine, beef, to name a few). And then there's the relentless staring, the spitting, the pushing & shoving.

You don�t need a TESOL to teach in China but you do need a university degree ( to be 100% legal, but there are some exceptions), which can be in any field.
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amandabarrick



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shanghai has some great urban areas for photographing.
Remember, whether you decide to live and work in a big city in the east or a remote area in the west, you can always travel to the other for photography purposes as English teachers frequently have holidays and vacation time, at least that has been my experience in public schools.
Being it your first time in China, I would suggest a big or moderately big city in the east with at least some western amenities, decent public transportation, entertainment, access to daily necessities, etc...
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Babala



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with both other posters. I would say definately choose a larger city for your first time here. As Spiderman says, going to small remote city may sound good but the novelty wears off quickly. You can do a search for threads on good cities to live in, there's lots of info there.
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HunanForeignGuy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: big city or small town? Reply with quote

alisonvcartwright wrote:
i'm trying to figure out my plan of action.

i want to go to china, and i think the best way possible would be to teach english.... do you need a TEFL certificate to do this in china?

i'm a photographer, currently living in New York, but i want a change and a new life experience for the next year or so. i will always want to make pictures... and i can also do that anywhere on the side....

i'm a big city person, and i love to photograph urban areas, so i figure china is a place to go in the world. but i'm split between going to a remote area in the west or sticking to a larger city in the east, where maybe i could find some freelance photo work or int'l press work as well.

anyone have any ideas?

and yes i've been reading some travel lit. i'm just feeling indecisive about all the immense possibilities.


Dear Alison,

I can share so much of what you are thinking....I have been in China for soon four years.

I grew up in Manhattan, right off of 93rd and Madison on the Far Upper East Side, between Park and Madison. I was used to, and demanded, all of the accoutrements of New York life. Life was one big taxi ride here and there, and Central Park, and Barney's, and the Village (until I outgrew it or it became a bit used).

I have been in China four years, and I can attest to what Spiderman says. I have been in both the large cities (although not Beijing nor Shanghai) and some very country villages and some provincial capitals.

It's a very, very personal call. For me, village life was the best. I don't miss the butter and cheeses and the Macs and the Pizza Huts, but if I did, the nearest large city was 30 minutes away by bus. It was a wonderful village, green, leafy, very traditionally Chinese, market days, festival days, actual functioning temples. It was the Chinese version, so to speak, of Alphonse Daudet's "Lettres de Mon Moulin" if you have ever read it, or pages from one of the novels by Pearl S. Buck. I had a fantastically HUGE apartment, with an actual full garden, believe it or not, and because the government school in that village had so desperately wanted a foreigner, they did everything for me...my apartment was refurbished and redone to my last wish; I had a wonderful bicycle, etc., etc. Unfortunately, the school lost its right to employ a foreign teacher, as a result of a horrible lawsuit by a previous foreign teacher that had been there...

I was also in a small village in Inner Mongolia, one hour from the nearest subprefectural city, and yet, again, I lacked for nothing. My apartment was 180 square meters, and it consisted of two bedrooms, a computer room, a maid's room, a living room / dining room, and a beautiful solarium. Again, being the only foreigner, I was taken care of to my every wish. I paid no bus fares to go to the big city -- every Saturday I was given a car and driver and allowed to go shopping or whatever. That was a great assignment. I will say, however, the EXTREME cold (-45 F. in mid-winter) was a bit much to take.

I have worked in Chengdu, which is a city with a metropolitan area population of probably 15-18 million, prosperous, fast-moving, open day-and-night...and yet it lacked all the rusticity and charm of my previous postings. I lacked for nothing in this city, and every Western amentiy was available and even more, but somehow I missed the real China.

I am now in a provincial center that is still traditionally Chinese. It is a wonderful combination with a slight edge towards tradition. All of the western commodities are available but I do not avail myself of them.

So, like everyone says, it actually, actually depends. Personally, I will go back to my little tree-lined village with the temple festivities and the open air markets, etc.

I am sure that you will enjoy China. There is so much to do and so much so see and so much to hear and experience. It is not Mulberry and
Canal Streets at all -- you can discard that experience right away.

Speaking from one New Yorker to another, if you are used to New York filth and litter and garbage thrown profusely all over (14th Street comes to mind), then you will have an easy go of it here. If you like New York- style shopping in the shops instead of the big malls, in the smaller and villages, you will be in heaven. In the larger cities, on the other hand, you will have access to the large suburban-type malls that personally repulse me. Do not expect MTA-type state-of-the-art GM buses, but the public transport city is present and it works, even in the villages. In the large cities, it is akin to what you are used...

And photographic opportunites -- just everywhere.

And you won't miss the City cause the Times is available online, as is the Post (if you read the rag -- I read it just for Cindy Adams) and about everything else.

And one thing else, although I am sure that many will disagree with me here. I just feel safer in China than in the City. I have never been mugged here; I have never been robbed. I have had a dishonest taxi driver, in Shanghai, but I can only blame myself, and I have learned how to bargain hard in the shops...which as a New Yorker should come as a sixth-sense to you.

Any questions, ask.

In the meantime, all the best.


Hunan Foreign Guy
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Spiderman Too



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just feel safer in China than in the City. I have never been mugged here; I have never been robbed. I have had a dishonest taxi driver, in Shanghai,


Personal safety, as in the risk of being attacked, hasn't been an issue for me in the big cities I've been to, but there have been 3 attempts to lift my wallet so far here in Gaungzhou, I've heard 7 reports from colleague F.T.s, and colleagues have had their bicycles, motorcycle (scooter) and laptop computer stolen.

Back to the small village I started in, shopping at the local market everything I bought seemed to be 3 jiao, 4 jiao, or 8 jiao, 9 jiao. At first, I would give a 5 jiao or 1 RMB note and just walk away but after being chased by vendors half a dozen times just so they could give me my 1/2 jiao change I decided it was better to wait for my (equivalent of .8 / .9 US cents) change!
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