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nabakow30



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Posts: 35
Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: oh to stay or..... Reply with quote

hello all... I'm in my second year (if you can call the first 'thank you Millenium service' experience a year) in Poland and am considering options for next year..... I love the place-no doubt about that- but seem to have reached a point where the terms on which I'd stay would need to be different. That is, obviously the initial buzz, clutlural phenomena etc are no longer the same in terms of impact etc....Most of those I know who have been here longer (namely 4,5,6 years or whatever) have a specific reason for continuing, in most cases a relationship...What are peoples' thoughts on how the experience of Poland changes if you stick around for a longer period of time than the average 1-2 years? If you recommend it do you think it better to stay in the same place etc (was in Torun last year and trojmiasto this....)
Sorry if my penchant for......irritates anyone....thanks in advance peeps
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biffinbridge



Joined: 05 May 2003
Posts: 701
Location: Frank's Wild Years

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: my two bob's worth Reply with quote

When I first left Poland in 99 after several years,I left because got tired of being messed around by schools.I fell out with the new D.O.S. at the uni,then JDJ didn't pay me what was written on the contract ,then I got robbed by the summer camp I did.
Since 99 it seems that little has changed in Poznan.Most of my friends are constanly having to plead for their salaries,companies break your 'contract' willy nilly and people are generally getting messed around.
However,there other things that have changed;I'm older for starters,Poland is much pricier for seconds and for thirds,I've come to realise that the Poles are not actually the warmest or most honest people I've come across...but then again I've been assured that this is a very 'Poznan' phenomenon.
I come back again and again because I have a son here.He makes all of the above meaningless.
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Khrystene



Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 271
Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:14 pm    Post subject: Re: oh to stay or..... Reply with quote

nabakow30 wrote:
hello all... I'm in my second year (if you can call the first 'thank you Millenium service' experience a year) in Poland and am considering options for next year..... I love the place-no doubt about that- but seem to have reached a point where the terms on which I'd stay would need to be different. That is, obviously the initial buzz, clutlural phenomena etc are no longer the same in terms of impact etc....Most of those I know who have been here longer (namely 4,5,6 years or whatever) have a specific reason for continuing, in most cases a relationship...What are peoples' thoughts on how the experience of Poland changes if you stick around for a longer period of time than the average 1-2 years? If you recommend it do you think it better to stay in the same place etc (was in Torun last year and trojmiasto this....)
Sorry if my penchant for......irritates anyone....thanks in advance peeps


So Torun was your horror year? Pity it's actually a great place... not that I'm encouraging any competition for myself mind you Wink

It's hard to give advice on such a thing... I have come and gone a few times, this is my third try at living/working in PL. And it seems to be coming along. I am making a place for myself, including finding an ideal place to live just today! Very Happy

I've had problems, but nothing like what anyone else has described. HOWEVER, I do speak Polish, to a degree, and have Polish citizenship.... roots. Not sure if it makes a difference, but I find that many Poles, even in the Government beaureas are nicer once I say "Oh I'm sorry I speak such poor Polish", and they tell me how GOOD it is, and how wonderful it is, and it changes things, in my favour, just a little. Good to know how to 'deal' here methinks.

Anyway, a question... where are you from originally?

I would think trying to make a go of Trojmiasto is a good idea. I have heard it's better than other places, particularly Gdansk. So perhaps you'd be better of there rather than Sopot. At least Gdansk has more opportunities.
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joshsweigart



Joined: 27 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in a similar situation, although I've been here for a couple years longer. I stay mainly because the lifestyle is good--the girls are hot, the beer is good and where else can you live like a king and work less than eight hours a day? The longer I stay the more difficult it is to leave as I feel less and less connected with my home country. If you're going to leave the sooner the better is probably best.
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Bender Donthat



Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Rozumiem ciebie Reply with quote

Hey,

I spent a few years teaching in Krakow, and I know the exact feeling you are going through. I've since returned to the states and am back in the corporate grind - making more money in several months than I did several years in Poland. Yet, money isn't a panacea and I often long for lazy walks in Planty...

That said, I'm planning on milking the system here for as long as I can, save a lot of $$$, invest in income-producing multi-unit property, and return to Poland within ten years or so to live like a king. As much as I loved the EFL lifestyle, I had a hard time accepting that the profession is morally banrkupt, lacking in respect and professionalism, and without serious professional future prospects. Believe me, it will NOT look good on your resume should you wish to change career tracks!

When I return to Poland, it will not be as an EFL teacher for sure.... I'm sure some of you can relate to the frustration the title bears!

My advice - enjoy the time you had and move on, either professionally or geographically.
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Alex Shulgin



Joined: 20 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: Rozumiem ciebie Reply with quote

Bender Donthat wrote:
I had a hard time accepting that the profession is morally banrkupt, lacking in respect and professionalism, and without serious professional future prospects.


It isn't, it isn't and isn't, and it isn't. If you feel it is, then you're working for the wrong people.
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Khrystene



Joined: 17 Apr 2004
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Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Rozumiem ciebie Reply with quote

Alex Shulgin wrote:
Bender Donthat wrote:
I had a hard time accepting that the profession is morally banrkupt, lacking in respect and professionalism, and without serious professional future prospects.


It isn't, it isn't and isn't, and it isn't. If you feel it is, then you're working for the wrong people.



I agree, it's not totally stuffed up, and there are some good employers. Trust me. You just have to find them... and "keep the b*stards honest"!
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joshsweigart



Joined: 27 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as the lacking future prospects and moral standards...

It may be difficult to find work with employers who care about their students or employees (financially or developmentally), once you do however, I have say that it is a rewarding profession.

SIT also has many programs which only accept experienced and qualified ESL teachers to teach and develop curriculum at public and private schools around the world, I wouldn't say that it is totally without future prospects.
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afowles



Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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Location: USA

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my third year and I'm planning on leaving at the end of this year. I came for a relationship and that's over now, so I'm off.

That being said, I just spent a week in Krakow and I was loathe to leave it. It's a nice city.
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nabakow30



Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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Location: Ljubljana, Slovenia

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

re: corruptness, bankruptcy..... such a view is as naive as the idealsim which probably led to the disillusionment...

oh well.

ale trudno.
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Tumteetum



Joined: 04 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im in a similar situation myself (perhaps we should start a group) in that I've been here a year and am considering whether to stay or leave. I really enjoyed my first stint in Poland last year and returned in September but things didnt work out with my school (OXFORD HOUSE in Wroclaw Evil or Very Mad ) and I decided to start looking at other options. Since the turn of the year though I've started having a really good time again and I'm now in 2 minds whether to leave or not. I don't have a big reason to stay (other than friends and just living a different life than if I would be back home) and in a way having no ties can make you almost too free. For me its a choice between fun, friends and what you know or the buzz of something new and it really comes down to whats more important to you.
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gregoryfromcali



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Location: People's Republic of Shanghai

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most of those I know who have been here longer (namely 4,5,6 years or whatever) have a specific reason for continuing, in most cases a relationship...


I think you've pretty much answered your own question.

As much as I liked Poland, despite the fact that they're not the warmest people in the world, I couldn't think of any reason to stay.

I enjoyed the bars in Cracow but I don't think getting pissed a couple of times a week is a good life long habit, at for me anyway.

I considered getting the Cental European studies degree, but where I'm from it would be pretty meaningless.

So it was time to move on and pursue my other goals in life.

The question is what are your goals?
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