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sww
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 Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: Ethics of conditional acceptance? |
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I would like to ask a question of the group. I recently spent two great years at a uni in China. I returned home for a one-year full-time temp position at a local college. Soon interviews will be held for the permanent position. I think I have a fairly good chance of getting the job, but I also miss China. In terms of income, benefits, and retirement it would be better to take it if offered and then go to China and Asia on vacation.
If I do not obtain the permanent position, would it be unethical to accept a position in China now on conditional grounds; that is, tell the school in advance that I will go if I'm not hired at home? I do not mean signing a contract and then ignoring it.
Thanks in advance.
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Mytime
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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About as ethical as a school in China accepting you on the condition that that they haven't hired anyone else before you got here. Do you really think a school will accept that? They can't wait on you, they DEFINATELY need a person to fill that vacancy so though they may say OK, it will be you who is conditional. They'll find someone else, then if that person doesn't turn up and you do you'll have a job. If they do and you do you won't.
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Do you intend to tell them the situation? |
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Spiderman Too
Joined: 15 Aug 2004
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Location: Caught in my own web
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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No offence, but your question is not very clear.
If I do not obtain the permanent position (meaning that you have been already been rejected), would it be unethical to accept a position in China now on conditional grounds; ��.. I will (come) if I'm not hired at home (but you�ve already been rejected, right?)
Anyway, it depends on what dates you�re talking about.
The main hiring seasons in China are January / February (for late February) and July/August (for September). When do you expect to receive word about the permanent college position? Would it mean telling a school that you�re not coming one day before you�re due to arrive, or 1 month in advance.
Further, could it be that you come to China, start teaching and then one / two months into the term you return home?
I�ve always been a strong advocate of F.T.s honoring their contractual obligations. If we don�t a vicious cycle can begin; F.T.s screw employers because employers screw F.T.s and employers screw F.T.s because F.T.s screw employers.
However, some of the stuff I�ve read on this forum lately makes me think that the Chinese EFL scene is a free-for-all circus where only the most ruthless survive!
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She told me a few days before the start of the Spring festival and what happened to be my pay day that she wouldn't be requiring my services any longer and that I was free to go. I asked her why and her reply ,quite irregularly , was ,"I don't believe you will return after the Spring Festival"
-Now , my contract finishes one month after the spring festival so I certainly will be coming back so i can get that free flight home that's owed to me by my boss upon the completion of my contract.
To add to that she had taken the months salary that was owed to me on that day as a fee taken for the breaking of the contract ...that i will presumably break for not returning after the spring festival.
When I offered her my passport, for some absurd reason, to reassure her I would be returning after the spring festival ...she refused with a laugh. |
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| Ok now salary. The agreed amount was 6500rmb with a sign on bonus of 3000rmb. A 2 bedroom flat (apt.) but �.. I never in the 3 months that I endured the BS saw 6500rmb I was deducted expenses that I could never figure out what it was for. ��.. Oh I was supposed to get a full salary for the holiday. It never happened. I got a total of 800rmb which was what they gave me for Jan. I never received my holiday salary. |
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| A foreign teacher who does recruiting in China told me lately that she was "scr..ed" by two guys who accepted the offers of a school that she got for them, arrived at the school, got the airfare reimbursement and disappeared just in time after all the paperwork was done for them. |
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As stated in my post, my university gave me full reimbursement for Florida to Hong Kong AND Shenzen to Quanzhou within 2 weeks of the new semester.
18,200 yuan in cash, up front!
Babala wrote:
Jeff did you happen to return the airfare they gave you up-front?
No.
FAO girl said to me I could return the upfront airfare and leave the school if I wish.
But the way they treated me was far from professional. I decided I wouldn't even give them a goodbye.
They did not deserve any courtesy from me as they never gave me any. Upfront airfare does not buy loyalty from me - respect does |
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Louras
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: Ethics |
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| And here I will be crucified. Ethics in China is like Danish flags in the Middle East. |
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pc-pocket
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: |
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- How many time a Uni., schools or private institutions, have maliciously miss leaded someone with a bogus contract?
- How many time a Uni., schools or private institutions have not fulfill their written engagement? |
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Louras
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: Chris |
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| Copy ass. I mean copy cat |
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pc-pocket
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| Look!! can you do that? |
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