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Delpha
Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Posts: 32 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: Turkish Film with U.S. Enemy at Sundance Film Festival |
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Got this interesting article from the AP in my e-mail yesterday. . .
Thursday, February 2, 2006
ISTANBUL, Turkey (AP) -- In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made,
American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little
boy full of lead in front of his mother. They kill dozens of innocent people
with random machine-gun fire, shoot the groom in the
head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison -- where a Jewish
doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people
in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
"Valley of the Wolves Iraq" -- set to open in Turkey on Friday -- feeds off
the increasingly negative feelings many Turks harbor
toward their longtime NATO allies: Americans. The movie, which reportedly
cost about $10 million (8.3 million), is a work of
fiction and does not purport to level allegations against American troops.
It is part of a genre of popular culture in Turkey that demonizes the United States.
The film comes on the heels of a novel, "Metal Storm," about a war between Turkey and the U.S., which has been a best-seller for
months. One recent opinion poll revealed the depth of the hostility in
Turkey toward Americans: 53 percent of Turks who responded to
the 2005 Pew Global Attitudes survey associated Americans with the word
"rude"; 70 percent with "violent"; 68 percent with "greedy";
and 57 percent with "immoral."
Advance tickets already are selling out across Turkey for the film, which
has dialogue in Turkish, Arabic, Kurdish and English. In
addition to Turkey, the film is set to be shown in more than a dozen other
countries -- including the United States, Britain,
Germany, the Netherlands, Britain, Denmark, Russia, Egypt, Syria and
Australia. The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays
a self-professed "peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the
Jewish-American doctor.
U.S. soldiers have become hate figures in Muslim countries around the world after the unpopular war in Iraq. But here in Turkey, a
personal grudge fuels the resentment.
"Valley of the Wolves Iraq" opens with a true story: On July 4, 2003, in
Sulaymaniyah, Iraq, troops from the U.S. Army's 173rd
Airborne Brigade raided and ransacked a Turkish special forces office, threw hoods over the heads of 11 Turkish special forces
officers and held them in custody for more than two days. The Americans said they had been looking for Iraqi insurgents and unwittingly rounded up the Turks because they were not in uniform. Still, the incident damaged Turkish-U.S.. relations and hurt Turkish national pride. Turks traditionally idolize their soldiers; many enthusiastically send their sons off for mandatory military service.
In the movie, one of the Turkish special forces officers commits suicide to
save his honor. His farewell letter reaches Polat Alemdar, an elite Turkish intelligence officer who travels to northern Iraq with a small group of men to avenge the humiliation.
There they find a rogue group of U.S. soldiers led by officer Sam William
Marshall -- played by Zane. In the bloodfest that ensues,
the small band of Turks bonds with the people of Iraq and eventually ends
American atrocities there, killing Zane and his men in the
final scene.
"The scenario is great," Istanbul Mayor Kadir Topbas told The Associated
Press after the film was shown at a posh opening gala
Tuesday night. "It was very successful. But Topbas and other Turks at the
premiere weren't too concerned about how the movie would
be perceived in the United States.
"There isn't going to be a war over this," said Nefise Karatay, a Turkish
model lounging on a sofa after the premiere. "Everyone
knows that Americans have a good side. That's not what this is about."
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone seen the tv series that the film is based on? Crap innit? I don't know what all the fuss is about. |
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tekirdag

Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 505
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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I have watched the tv show and kind of liked it. Very violent, though!
The episode with Sharon Stone and Andy Garcia was awful. I guess those two just did it for the money.
There have been many movies with Russians, Chinese gangsters, Italian Mafia as the "bad guys" so why not a rogue group of American soldiers? |
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VanIslander

Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 67 Location: temp banned from dave's korean boards
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Turkish Film with U.S. Enemy at Sundance Film Festival |
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Delpha wrote: |
...a work of fiction and does not purport to level allegations against American troops. It is part of a genre of popular culture in Turkey that demonizes the United States. |
It's probably on par with how Hollywood has portrayed Russians, not to mention Arabs and the Islamic world.
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...One recent opinion poll revealed the depth of the hostility in
Turkey toward Americans: 53 percent of Turks who responded to
the 2005 Pew Global Attitudes survey associated Americans with the word
"rude"; 70 percent with "violent"; 68 percent with "greedy";
and 57 percent with "immoral." |
Dang! I think that generally speaking Americans are rude, violence-loving, greedy and immoral in a narrow sense. And I like Americans! But my beliefs are more of a critique of the culture than of individuals, especially given the diversity one encounters there. Turkish beliefs could be cruder, unconditional, and directed toward all Americans and everything American. I dunno.
I'd be interesting to see the film. |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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My husband came back from that movie angry that it was pro-American!  |
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TeachEnglish
Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Hmm.. it seems very popular to be anti-American these days. Maybe they should demonstrate, get violent, destructive and kill people. Oh.. we are talking about a movie..not cartoons.. Americans..and not Islamics.. Sorry I was confused there for a minute..  |
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calsimsek

Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 775 Location: Ist Turkey
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm.. it seems very popular to be anti-American these days. |
If you saw the lattest photos of US troops beating iraqies, then perhapes you could understand why so many people (not just Turks ) have turned against the states.
I just hope to god we can all get to 2008 without Dumbo leading us all to hell. |
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calsimsek

Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 775 Location: Ist Turkey
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Entrailicus:
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I think they were British troops, although if you want to blame the Americans... |
New photos have come out from Al Graba (?) prison in Iraq. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Don't you think it is a coincidence that photographs,which were taken 3 years ago, are released at the same time as all the current bs happening around the world with regard to the cartoons? |
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calsimsek

Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 775 Location: Ist Turkey
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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dmb:
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Don't you think it is a coincidence that photographs,which were taken 3 years ago, are released at the same time as all the current bs happening around the world with regard to the cartoons? |
SBS TV from Oz did the dirty deed. SBS is the national mutiethnic network. I think they want everyone to start hatting the Yanks again. ( as if we ever stopped. ) |
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dmb

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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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do you think it is anyway connected with the Ashes?  |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar

Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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Undoubtedly ... it's common knowledge among the MCC secret-service that it's the root cause of every media and political move in Australia for the next 12 months ... |
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TeachEnglish
Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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If you saw the lattest photos of US troops beating iraqies, then perhapes you could understand why so many people (not just Turks ) have turned against the states. |
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I think they were British troops, although if you want to blame the Americans... |
Hmm..These 2 posts seem to contradict each other. No I have not seen these photos. Even if I had seen these photos I would not understand why so many people would turn against the states, other than these people must be ignorant. Those of us with reasonable amounts of inteligence know that troops in a war situation do things that are not kind and nice, especially to the other side. Both sides usually want to kill each other. It is easy for us sitting and reading the news to judge what is going on, but not easy to imagine what is going on in the soldiers' minds. As far as the soldiers being beat, who are the soldiers, Iraqi? I did not think Americans were fighting Iraqi soldiers anymore. Have you seen the videos of the kidnapped man having his head cut off? It is worse than any soldiers beating a group of people what would probably kill them if they had the chance. Think about that. Face it people, war is not pretty and killing people is not fun, unless you are a suicide bomber. The animals and uncivilized people are the idiots that are resisting and holding progress up in Iraq and the stupid little minded people, like Turks, that don't have enough sense to stop whining and get off their butts and do something. Thats all most of them live for, something to complain about.
I bet the British and Americans treat the prisoners better than they would be treated if they were captured.  |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar

Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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It's because of people like you that Plato thought democracy to be one of the worst forms of government ...
That's Plato, not the Pluto or Bluto that evidently dominate the stories that fill the books on your book-shelf ... |
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Baba Alex

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 2411
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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TeachEnglish wrote: |
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If you saw the lattest photos of US troops beating iraqies, then perhapes you could understand why so many people (not just Turks ) have turned against the states. |
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I think they were British troops, although if you want to blame the Americans... |
Hmm..These 2 posts seem to contradict each other. No I have not seen these photos. Even if I had seen these photos I would not understand why so many people would turn against the states, other than these people must be ignorant. Those of us with reasonable amounts of inteligence know that troops in a war situation do things that are not kind and nice, especially to the other side. Both sides usually want to kill each other. It is easy for us sitting and reading the news to judge what is going on, but not easy to imagine what is going on in the soldiers' minds. As far as the soldiers being beat, who are the soldiers, Iraqi? I did not think Americans were fighting Iraqi soldiers anymore. Have you seen the videos of the kidnapped man having his head cut off? It is worse than any soldiers beating a group of people what would probably kill them if they had the chance. Think about that. Face it people, war is not pretty and killing people is not fun, unless you are a suicide bomber. The animals and uncivilized people are the idiots that are resisting and holding progress up in Iraq and the stupid little minded people, like Turks, that don't have enough sense to stop whining and get off their butts and do something. Thats all most of them live for, something to complain about.
I bet the British and Americans treat the prisoners better than they would be treated if they were captured.  |
That's the kind of attitude that makes me hate Americ..... no wait I mean makes me hate small minded sheep like you! What war? People shoot and bomb each other in wars, these people were being kept prisoner. They were/are treated like animals, which of course makes sense to you, because you are quite simply a petty racist.
I bet the British and Americans treat the prisoners better than they would be treated if they were captured?
A few prisoners have been murdered can you tell me what treatment that is better than exactly? |
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