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Back in China - need advice on classrooms AKA venting

 
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opentin



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Back in China - need advice on classrooms AKA venting Reply with quote

Hi,

I have recently been in Korea teaching at a University and felt like I was in a dream - The classes were small, the student's were interested and tried hard and everything I did was quite successful. But I didn't like the country so much so I decided to return to China to teach at a school, and am now pretty seriously regretting my choice.

I'm in a private school here teaching juniors, seniors and middle-primary levels and am really lost about how to cope with the classes. I did do some public school classes last time I was in China and they were very hard to plan for etc, and now all those memories are coming back.

The problem is with the class sizes (about 40 per class), but also that my classes are just 'laowai hour' and so are completely ungraded and so the students see it as pointless, and an opportunity to muck around and do nothing. I've had a really hard day so far today (halfway through) and I was wanting some advice about how to cope with these classes.

I'm sure many of you are in a similar situation so I was looking for advice on how to let the students know I mean business. It's really difficult to go into a classroom with what you think is an OK lesson plan only to have it torn apart by 40 students who fight you on it at every turn...Even to the point of when I say - "take out your notebooks" having 2 or 3 people take it out and 30-something looking at you blankly or churlishly. I've been sending kids out of the classroom for talking but it doesn't do much and there's only so many times you can say An Jing or give them the silent treatment before it becomes meaningless. So I come away from the lessons thinking it's my fault that my lessons aren't good enough and the students aren't engaged enough...but I dont necessarily think it is. The students seem to groan and are reticent to participate even when are playing games.

It's so frustrating after having nice small classes where everyone participates and there's a really good energy to come here and experience a classroom atmosphere where people couldn't care less. It's only my second week and some classes seem to be a lost cause already. How do you people cope with this?

Anthony
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Mytime



Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even to the point of when I say - "take out your notebooks" having 2 or 3 people take it out and 30-something looking at you blankly or churlishly. I

Pick one of the thirty something, point at him/her and firmly and in a big voice (but without shouting) tell them to stand up. Keep finger pointed untill standing occurs. Then proceed to give todays chicken (kill the chicken, show the monkey, remember?) a lesson on the meaning of 'open your books' one or two days with one random student a day will sort them out. This works on so many levels I wonder why it isn't included in training programs.
Their desire to keep face, their desire not to be singled out, not to make a fool of themselves in front of the class. Trust me. This works. don't forget the big voice and finger pointing.
Failing that, a slug gun.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have discussed lesson plan ad infitum and I have nothing new to add; basically, it boils down to whether you can earn their respect.
You have to adopt a few oldish ideas about how to run a class: the teacher is the students' guide and not the other way around! You must also be seen to be in possession of "knowledge" - i.e. the nitty-gritty of your first language. Forget about oral and aural practice, there is going to be too much inattention and commotion.

One thing that I feel I should bring up here is peer teaching. You should let them know each other's skills. Have them correct their writing. Surely you have to give them some instructions in writing every once in a while? Do it as a dictation! Then have them pass on their papers to their neighbours for correction! Then correct them in your turn - or correct one paper for every 4 or 5 students.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOD EDIT

But back to the topic - the OP writes -
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How do you people cope with this?


in a series of ways according to their agenda -professional teacher/backpacker being maybe the two extremes. Many simply pack bag and find a new school - other knuckle down.

What I will say is that - although I teach kindergarten level, and do not have much experience of teaching older children - I would urge you not to resort to the kind of brutish dictatorial methods that are often advertised here as being the most effective. Maybe your students need to respect you but as far I'm concerned If I had to resort to methods that made me loose professional respect for myself then it really would be packing bag time. But then this is subjective view - but it would nice to hear from anybody who has turned the "bad" teaching situation into a better one using more progressive teaching methods Laughing
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