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pompomouse



Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:25 am    Post subject: HK vs. Korea Reply with quote

I am currently teaching in Seoul, South Korea. I work in public middle school teaching ESL. The job itself is great and the kids are nice but my social life and adjustment to Koreans and their culture is not going as well as I had hoped. I find though Koreans can be quite endearing in many ways, I don't like the constant invasion of privacy, the cultural insensitiveness and the expectations they place on my time outside of work hours ( "You must come to the "meeting' ", you "must" do this, that and the other, and by the way we are doing this after work today") The other thing that is disappointing in Korea is that is seems like there are so many foreigners who are unhappy with things and it is so damn hard to meet people, outside of drinking on weekends.

I had the opportunity to go to HK on the NET scheme last summer but they took so long getting back to me about the job that I had to make some decisions and I came here instead. I don't regret the decision to come here, but I am not looking to stay longer than my year here that is for sure. I have been recently emailed by a person who works for the EMB and have been asked if I would consider working in HK under the SNET scheme for September. I spent a weekend in HK recently with a good girlfriend and mine and had a blast and kept thinking about how much better HK is to Korea. Foreigners in HK just seemed to be happier people. I saw so many with smiles on their faces- something that is hard tocome by in Korea. But I have traveled enough to realize that everything is better when you are on a vacation. So it makes me wonder, would I really be happier in HK than I am here? Would I find the same problems in intermingling with the local culture in HK that I do here in Korea?
Would I be finding the same workplace annoyance in HK if I worked in a secondary school like I do here in Korea? What are the majors problems for foreigners working in a public school?
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Pieface



Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:41 am    Post subject: Re: HK vs. Korea Reply with quote

[quote="pompomouse"]I don't like the constant invasion of privacy, the cultural insensitiveness and the expectations they place on my time outside of work hours ( "You must come to the "meeting' ", you "must" do this, that and the other, and by the way we are doing this after work today") The other thing that is disappointing in Korea is that is seems like there are so many foreigners who are unhappy with things and it is so damn hard to meet people, outside of drinking on weekends.

Well, first up I would say that the grass is always greener...to be honest had you not mentioned the country, I may have thought that you were talking about Hong Kong! This is a great place, but many of the problems that you are experiencing and have mentioned work-wise are all too familiar with NET teachers here. On the social side, I believe it's what you make of it. It's very easy to get sucked into the 'lets go and get wrecked every weekend' mentality that is commonplace with so many HKers. However, there's lots to do outside of that (football/rugby/climbing clubs to join, hiking etc.) and ample opportunity for you to get involved.
Anyway, good luck wherever you end up!
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munasa



Joined: 17 Apr 2003
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Location: HK

PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pieface said:
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to be honest had you not mentioned the country, I may have thought that you were talking about Hong Kong! This is a great place, but many of the problems that you are experiencing and have mentioned work-wise are all too familiar with NET teachers here.

Actually, your job might be better than a lot of secondary NET jobs here, however, I agree with Pieface, that the problems you experience job-wise are similar to what NETs often face here.

Having said that, I've worked in Korea and I think it's much easier to settle in and find your niche here in HK -- I'd describe HK as a bit more "user-friendly". BUT I loved Korea in spite of the negatives and the difficulty in settling in. The Korean culture, in my opinion, is richer and more interesting in many ways. However, Koreans are not as used to foreigners as HKers are and that's why it's easier here in HK. You could try giving yourself a bit more time to find your feet in Korea -- it sounds as if it's been less than a year. As time goes by, it gets better. We all have to accept that there are some things we cannot change and the workplace expectations and intrusions on our personal time are things that we have to learn to live with, or find ways around, in both places.

It does seem easier to find happy ESL teachers here than it was in Korea, however there are a lot of unhappy ESL/NET teachers in HK, too! I think that overall it's easier to meet people here in HK than it was in Korea.

I am not sure if it really would be better for you here -- given the opportunity, I would return to Korea as my time there was mostly good. However, I'm also having a great time here and plan to stay in HK for a few more years before looking at moving. Other NETs are not so happy -- it all depends on your school and that's a bit of a lottery!
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poof



Joined: 23 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had experiences of working in both places among others.

Personally, I think HK is a much more eventful place to be in. I prefer just about everything in HK except living in cockroach infested tower blocks with neighbors windows facing straight into your room.

However, if you are going to spend your time here in the main capacity of a 'teacher' I think you need to ask yourself more the question of are you happy at teaching. There are some weird problems going on in HK schools that can even beat the crazy world of Korean hagwons. You can be in Shangri La, but still be disatisfied because of your job.

Give Korea a bit more time - perhaps one more year, then, make a move. The jobs in HK will still be available next year. Learning some Korean in preparation can also give you some extra opportunities in HK beacause of a sizeable Korean population - at least where I live!

Funny, why is there a 'beep' inserted where I wrote c-o-c-k-r-o-a-c-h? Are such creatures under censorship these days?
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JZer



Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't like the constant invasion of privacy, the cultural insensitiveness and the expectations they place on my time outside of work hours ( "You must come to the "meeting' ", you "must" do this, that and the other, and by the way we are doing this after work today")


Well I would say learn to adapt or try somewhere else but I think that all asian countries work like this, so beware that it is probably not any better in Hong Kong or China. Maybe you should consider your home country or somewhere in Europe. Maybe asian culture is not for you.
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Ladybug



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the most ridiculous things you'll find branded as "urgent" here. That is like a buzz word. The social life here is better but yeah, you're going to get the same kind of grief as you do in Korea, I think. People are talked about *to their faces* about being fat or gaining weight. It can get really petty here I think.

But having said that, I have made some good friends here and while yes, some of my friends love the nightlife and got to boogie, there are other things one can do to kill time, join a decent gym, see lots of movies and not have to worry that a week has passed and it might not be there anymore, every now and again live bands come through. It's a good place to be, though decidedly a frustrating place to work sometimes.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The other thing that is disappointing in Korea is that is seems like there are so many foreigners who are unhappy with things and it is so damn hard to meet people, outside of drinking on weekends.


duh, you don't speak the language of 95% of the people in Korea. What did you expect?
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