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seamonkey



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Tricky situation Reply with quote

Hi, im in a tricky situation at the moment. I was offered a job with Nova which I have to accept or decline in the next few days.I have to fill in all the forms for visas, health insurance etc and send them off too.
The thing is, I have an interview with GEOS in 10 days. I think i would prefer to work for GEOS, but i dont want to put all my eggs in one basket and turn down the NOVA job in the hope that i will get hired by GEOS.
Do you think it is a bit cheeky to accept the NOVA job and then in two or three weeks if I get offered a job with GEOS, phone Nova and tell them i dont want to work for them anymore. Has anyone done this?
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DarkMagus



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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Location: Manchester, NH

PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could probably accept and then, if you get a better offer, tell Nova you can't go through with it!

That's probably pretty sketchy though.

Hey, by the way! Can you read my question in the thread I created about NOVA background checks/hiring process? Seems like you're a step ahead of me, I'd like to know about your experience with Nova. Thanks !!
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seamonkey



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in England, so maybe they do it a bit different over here. After my interview i had a letter in the post saying that they want to offer me a job, and i have 7 days to accept or decline the offer. There was also a lot of forms to fill in about visa's , medical insurance etc. This all had to be filled in and sent back to Nova a few days later. There was also a disclosure application form that i had to fill in and send off to some place in Scotland, it costs �13.They should send me a disclosure form that shows my criminal history, which i then have to give to Nova, to prove im not a crook.
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Tricky situation Reply with quote

seamonkey wrote:
Hi, im in a tricky situation at the moment. I was offered a job with Nova which I have to accept or decline in the next few days.I have to fill in all the forms for visas, health insurance etc and send them off too.
The thing is, I have an interview with GEOS in 10 days. I think i would prefer to work for GEOS, but i dont want to put all my eggs in one basket and turn down the NOVA job in the hope that i will get hired by GEOS.
Do you think it is a bit cheeky to accept the NOVA job and then in two or three weeks if I get offered a job with GEOS, phone Nova and tell them i dont want to work for them anymore. Has anyone done this?



NOVA knows that you will be interviewing with other schools/companies and they lose a few candidates to the competition. Once your visa application is underway if you change employers you have to start the visa sponsorship process all over again. They dont own you until you get your visa and you are on the way to the airport.

If you get hired by GEOS tell NOVA you have changed your mind and decided not to get hired by them. For NOVA its a numbers game and they always have a few people in reserve if you back out.

IMO NOVA and GEOS are pretty much cut from the same cloth and it wont make that much difference which one you work for, despite what you read on the Internet. You will be teaching the same kinds of lessons, for the same hours to the same kinds of students. Differences between them are only a matter of degree.
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angrysoba



Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: Kansai, Japan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Paul said NOVA won't be upset for too long if you change your mind while the visa process is going on.

There is, however, some important differences between NOVA and GEOS.

On GEOS' plus side the students you teach are YOUR students, you see them on every week at the same time on the same day. This means that you can get to know them better then your students at NOVA. You can also socialize (in fact you are pretty much forced to socialize with them). If you work for NOVA, especially in the larger schools you don't get to see your students so regularly. You may teach a student one day then have your next lesson with them six months later.

On GEOS' minus side you are far more invloved with sales. During 'book fair' you get put on some league table to show how many books you have sold. You are also hounded to sell new contracts to your students.
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Angelfish



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, with GEOS you'll get your own apartment, whereas with NOVA you'll be sharing with 1 or 2 other people.

Plus, GEOS pay your health insurance for you (not deducted from your salary), I'm not sure about NOVA, but I think your salary is lower to make up for the health insurance payments they make on your behalf.
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Sour Grape



Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 241

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone would think too badly of you if you accepted the NOVA job and then turned it down. if you told Nova immediately, you would probably be messing them around much less than a lot of people do.

Thirteen quid is a small outlay if it improved the quality of your time in Japan. That said, I haven't heard anything better about Geos than I have about Nova, but I've never worked for either.

Good luck at the interview.
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