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ttrtaft
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 Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: Are Z visa regulations changing for universities |
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Hi!
I live in the Fujian province and work at a university. I was wondering if the z visa regulatgions are changing? Our FAO is saying that you need a bachelor degree, two years teaching experience, and TESOL. Everyone needs a bachelors degree to get a z visa. The FAO is telling us this effects all the universities in China. This information came to the university from the government in January.
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: Universities |
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I have been told the same thing by a university in Guangzhou that has offered me a position (no problems for me though with these requirements).
Same story here in Hunan except that its implementation seems to be sporadic to speak politely. I have seen new hires that are only high school graduates, and one who wasn't even....
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Neilhrd
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Location: Nanning, China
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: The same story in Guangxi |
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I have heard the same story from other FTs in Naning, Guangxi. It doesn't affect me personally, because I teach in schools and have these qualifications anyway, but I get the impression that the authorities are tightening up.
However in Guangxi and I suspect many other places, except maybe Beijing and Shanghai, the local PSB are not familiar with Western qualifications and documents. They have no idea what is a genuine, worthwhile teaching certificate and what isn't and can't read CVs in English. As they would lose face by admitting this enforcement will remain inconsistent and a little palm greasing will continue to smooth the way for most foreigners in China for a long time to come.
After all it is not as though the authorities understand what it will take to recruit and keep highly qualified, motivated, professional teachers in China and the demand for any kind of foreign face still far outstrips supply. Money talks here and as long as parents with money continue to demand foreign teachers for their children the rules will continue to be bent. |
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Spiderman Too
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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State Administration for Foreign Experts Affairs (SAFEA) promulgated the following regulations in 2002;
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2) Where the invited object is a foreign expert, he shall obtain the teaching and research experience for 3-5 years or more. The long-term cultural and educational expert shall gain master or higher degree or titles above instructor level and corresponding experience, meanwhile, the short-term invited expert shall be in possession of doctor degree or titles above associate professor and remarkable achievement in such academic areas.
(3) Where the invited object is the ordinary foreign teacher of language, he shall have gained the bachelor or higher degree and professional training on language teaching as well as some amount of language teaching experience. |
There have been many threads on this forum about enforcement, or lack thereof, of the SAFEA regulations. Some forum members speculated that the regulations were, in fact, merely guidelines.
Here in Guangzhou they are being treated as (non-negotiable) law as of January 2006.
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| After all it is not as though the authorities understand what it will take to recruit and keep highly qualified, motivated, professional teachers in China �. |
The onus of compliance is not with the foreign teacher; it's with the employing school.
When submitting an application for a F.R.P. / F.E.C. on behalf of an F.T., it's the school that has to declare to the authorities that they have checked and verified the F.T.'s credentials. Only photocopies of qualifications are required to submitted to the authorities but such photocopies are supposed to have been produced by the school, from the originals.
So, it is still possible for unscrupulous schools to arrange legal status for unqualified F.T.s by producing their own photocopied documents.
And, of course, there's always guangxi and under the table gratuities |
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bendan
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| ... and professional training on language teaching as well as some amount of language teaching experience. |
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Here in Guangzhou they are being treated as (non-negotiable) law as of January 2006.
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How could such imprecise wording become non-negotiable law?
I think the only thing that will be strictly enforced is the requirement the teacher has a bachelor degree. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| I think the only thing that will be strictly enforced is the requirement the teacher has a bachelor degree. |
And in Guangzhou even that is hit and miss. Like Spidey mentioned, as long as the burden is on the employer I wouldn't expect much to get in the way of "free enterprise" here.
Aside from the dozens I know here working on tourist / business visas, I know quite a few others who have no degree and have found no problems getting their work visas issued / renewed -- two of them very recently. |
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Malsol
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: SAFEA |
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nolefan
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Malsol is right about SAFEA... what they offer is guideline but no one needs to follow them to the T even though some people do.
Yes! the winds of change are blowing again as far as uni positions are concerned. 3 provinces are being currently used to test the waters before going nationwide... more information will be available soon |
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orangiey
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Yeah!! Rules are meant to be bent!
I nearly died laughing when one of the teaching assisants at my school here said' in your country you drive on the left and here we drive on the right' I nearly said 'Yes we do drive on the left but I wasn't sure about here, hadn't yet worked it out!!!!' Maybe there's some rule about which side of the road to drive on and that's bent too! |
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