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Wall Street vs. Kai En vs. Web International (Shanghai)
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Drizzt



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:21 am    Post subject: Wall Street vs. Kai En vs. Web International (Shanghai) Reply with quote

Hello everyone. I'm posting this because my current contract is ending soon, and I'm in the process of finding a new job. I have upcoming interviews with these three companies and I was wanting to hear about some of your experiences for those who have worked at one or more of these places.

From what I've gathered on other posts, Wall Street is the highest pay, but you have to dress professionally (tie & no jeans) and I'm a little skeptical about the way the classes are organized (I'm not too clear, but from info on the website, it said students work at their own pace, finish "modules", THEN attend a class, which by my understanding means you have different students for each class!)

I really liked what I read about Kai En. Seems they offer lots of opportunity for teacher development and they have coursebooks specifically designed for Shanghaiese. Not too sure about the starting pay.

I don't really know much about Web International.

Anyways, I appreciate any info, pro & cons, ect. anyone can offer about these companies!
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

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Midlothian Mapleheart



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edited to remove offensive content.

Middy


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Yu



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I interviewed with Web International. Didn't like the hours it required. Got a uni job for about half the pay.
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Drizzt



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info everyone.

Middy--I'm currently teaching at a college, that's why I'm not sure what the dress code is for all these language institutes. I always wear a collared long sleeve button-up shirt tucked in, with jeans and nice shoes. I know this is casual wear, but I surely wouldn't call it looking like a beach bum either! Very Happy

Anyways, a tie is no big deal, I just didn't know it was common for most language institutes.

I'm glad to know Kai En has good management however; that's the place I'm leaning towards right now.

I was also suspicious of Wall Streets "working formula", thanks for confirming that!
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InTime



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years back, Thats Shanghai Magazine had an issue focused upon Shanghai's English school business, with the cover photo showing hip Chinese dudes in T-shirts and shades looking at---apparently---English school Ads. The title of the Cover, and Cover Story, was "The Word on the Street."

I wrote an article focused upon:
*Wall Street
*Web
*alternative approaches, such as Role Play.

Later I met 2 Wall Street teachers who disagreed w/the WS approach, and left to develop their own in-person classes at a very high-priced office bldg. When I told them my name, they both started laughing. It turned out that when my story was published, they had just left WS to start their own school. The WS people were certain that it was they who had published the article, under a pseudonym...my name.

I taught at DOS in WuHan, based on the WS etc. model, but w/different software. I've visited WS in PuDong, gave English Corners at Web in Hangzhou and Shanghai. Before teachers (or students) sign any contracts, they should visit classes, and see if it fits their teaching/learning styles.
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Clothing is cheap in China,


Don't you believe it - - especially if you are tall or fat or *ahem*, big-chested, or . . . anything, it seems, other than slim and average-height. Odds are you will have to shop in an upscale, "foreign" store to find clothes that may fit you and, for us big guys, not even there! I had a couple shirts tailor made for me. Factor in the cost of the material in one store and the tailor fee in another place and the cost was easily 3X the off-the-rack stuff you see in your average clothing store. I inquired about a pair of corduroy trousers and was put off by the cost of the material alone!

I'm not saying "beach bum" attire is the way to go either, but what the OP describes as his normal dress seems just fine to me.
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Spiderman Too



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Odds are you will have to shop ..... upscale

Or downscale. I bought a pair of shorts at Carrefour on the weekend and noticed that the size range of many of the store's clothing lines included XL and XXL.

Quote:
I inquired about a pair of corduroy trousers

Man, are you a child of the 60s or what?
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

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Babala



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been working for Web International for over 2 1/2 years. The only downside to Web is that they require longer hours than your typical public school or uni and there is very little holiday time. Other than those two things, I think it's a great place to work. Good atmosphere, great students, they offer a high salary and I have never had a problem with pay, housing etc...
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halroach



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My girlfriend worked at Kai En, changed for a 'better' postion at Wall Street in beijing, but now wants to get back to Kai En. They really emphasize teacher training, it seems.

In fact, that's not saying much. None of the other schools pays the slightest attention to academic quality or teacher development.

I'd be curious to know if Web International do any teacher training. Somehow I doubt it.
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Babala



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All teachers at Web International are required to go to a 3 day training session at the head office in Shanghai.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 days Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Babala



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well vikdk,
Exactly how much teacher training do most schools offer Shocked
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Exactly how much teacher training do most schools offer

probally enough to send me into fits again - but 3 days is cutting it a bit fine - my krap 1st job training company gave us 2 weeks of what they called training, and I thought thay was cutting it to the bone, since training here is not just learning the job, but tuning into a new working enviroment - man did I tune in Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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