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Mark100



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:56 am    Post subject: Working for peanuts. Reply with quote

Why are so many qualified teachers working for peanuts in China?

I just got offered a a 4 month contract 4 thousand AUD a month plus expenses.

There are good jobs out there don't sell yourself short.
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mondrian



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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Location: "was that beautiful coastal city in the NE of China"

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice going!
what are you teaching?
and where?
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rocketboy



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, that's sound ok. nice work with that gig.

Can you tell us how you got the job and where do we look for one?

Do you mean by qualified teacher as in one went to university and studied to be a real techer. In that case there's plenty of work in the international schools. Or anyone with a degree in anything will do, can pick up these high paying jobs. Because as I've seen it here if you are not a real teacher like back in laowai land your stuck with those 4000rmb a month gigs, working for peanuts as you put it.
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Malsol



Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Lanzhou

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They pay peanuts because they hire monkeys?

Negotiate for bananas.
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Mark100



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I am a properly qualified teacher.

The thing is i see all these jobs out there that pay very poorly and i wonder why anyone would take them when there are obviously good paying gigs around.

BTW This is not an international school, and it is through an Australian recruitment agency.
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no_exit



Joined: 12 Oct 2004
Posts: 565
Location: Kunming

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a properly qualified teacher automatically puts you in an entirely different league from most of the teachers who post on here. You'll find very few teachers who are liscenced to teach in their home countries working for 4k a month out here.
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Leon Purvis



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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Location: Nowhere Near Beijing

PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no_exit wrote:
Being a properly qualified teacher automatically puts you in an entirely different league from most of the teachers who post on here. You'll find very few teachers who are liscenced to teach in their home countries working for 4k a month out here.


Mmmmm... It depends upon what you consider properly qualified.

Ph.D.s are properly qualified to teach college, as are MA level teachers.

A good place to start checking for 'proper' qualifications is in the applicant's ability to read and to SPELL in English.
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cj750



Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some of the international schools will hire unlicensed teachers but will use it as an advantage to pay less...

In BIBS the going rate is around 15000USD per year if your licenced or maybe a little more if hired stateside...but the reality is after taxes and what not..it often reads a lot lower...without a licence..12000USD per year...

At Yew Chung...I have seen contracts for 30000RMB per month..but of course a job like this comes with baggage..such as the moral rules in place...
A new International School in Changchun, has offered 28000USD per year but will cut it to around 20K due to tax/cost....
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TEAM_PAPUA



Joined: 24 May 2004
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Location: HOLE

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: * Reply with quote

I just got offered a a 4 month contract 4 thousand AUD a month plus expenses.

Is that good? Very Happy
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Laoshi1950



Joined: 22 May 2004
Posts: 198
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Well, RMB24000 a month is a good teacher salary in China. However, you were not clear about the other issues associated with this figure.

Whether it can be considered "good", or not, depends on such factors as: how many work hours a week are expected; whether there is night and weekend work required; whether you have to pay for your own accommodation and utilities; what the age group of the students will be; how serious your employer is about achieving high quality measurable outcomes ; and so on.

Without these accompanying details, it will be hard for members of this board to make any informed comments about the salary package on offer to you.
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saint57



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Beyond the Dune Sea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I just got offered a a 4 month contract 4 thousand AUD a month plus expenses.


The OP should read, "I just finished a four month contract and got paid $4,000 AUD a month."

Any time there is an agency involved things can get sketchy quick. Please keep us informed.
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happyc



Joined: 05 May 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Yew Chung International School Reply with quote

I recently completed a 2 year contract at Yew Chung International School (Shanghai). The pay was comparable with other international schools; but I think new teachers should be aware the pay is actually dropping at Yew Chung (though unsure if this is still happening). When I started there it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to find we were getting paid approx. 20% less than the teachers hired the previous year. Also, as someone else mentioned- Admin there are SHOCKING!! The Australian Principal and also, the Head of School, run the Gubei campus like a dictatorship and God help anyone who questions their authority. I was embarrassed to call myself an Aussie.
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vikdk



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Australian Principal and also, the Head of School, run the Gubei campus like a dictatorship and God help anyone who questions their authority. I was embarrassed to call myself an Aussie

A famous experiment in the 70's to explore human behaviour in relation to enviroment (google up Zimbardo - it's fascinating) which created a mock jail with uni students taking on the roles of inmates and warders claims that the actors started to really take on their roles with the warders actualy commiting acts which could be defined as abuse - indeed they had to prematurely cancel the whole show because of the trauma it caused!!! Maybe the Aussies at this school proove the conclusions of the experiment were not so far off the mark - people start to act in relation to the freedom of power an environment gives them - prehaps in certain circumstances there is too much freedom here!!!!!
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chinahopeful



Joined: 29 Sep 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't mind me asking, how did you find such a lucrative position? Most of the jobs I see posted are advertized at around 4000 a month. I've been told that you need to committ to at least a 1 year contract for the international schools and better paying jobs. I'm a fully certified teacher in Canada and I have a Masters in English. I can only come to China in January though, and am not 100% sure I will be able to stay for the full year depending on what my boss here wants. Any advice is really appreciated!
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cj750



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you cant obligate for a year..forget it....
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