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Drizzt
Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 229 Location: Kyuushuu, Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Wall Street vs. Kai En vs. Web International (Shanghai) |
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Hello everyone. I'm posting this because my current contract is ending soon, and I'm in the process of finding a new job. I have upcoming interviews with these three companies and I was wanting to hear about some of your experiences for those who have worked at one or more of these places.
From what I've gathered on other posts, Wall Street is the highest pay, but you have to dress professionally (tie & no jeans) and I'm a little skeptical about the way the classes are organized (I'm not too clear, but from info on the website, it said students work at their own pace, finish "modules", THEN attend a class, which by my understanding means you have different students for each class!)
I really liked what I read about Kai En. Seems they offer lots of opportunity for teacher development and they have coursebooks specifically designed for Shanghaiese. Not too sure about the starting pay.
I don't really know much about Web International.
Anyways, I appreciate any info, pro & cons, ect. anyone can offer about these companies! |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Midlothian Mapleheart
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Elsewhere
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Middy
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Yu
Joined: 06 Mar 2003 Posts: 1219 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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I interviewed with Web International. Didn't like the hours it required. Got a uni job for about half the pay. |
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Drizzt
Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 229 Location: Kyuushuu, Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info everyone.
Middy--I'm currently teaching at a college, that's why I'm not sure what the dress code is for all these language institutes. I always wear a collared long sleeve button-up shirt tucked in, with jeans and nice shoes. I know this is casual wear, but I surely wouldn't call it looking like a beach bum either!
Anyways, a tie is no big deal, I just didn't know it was common for most language institutes.
I'm glad to know Kai En has good management however; that's the place I'm leaning towards right now.
I was also suspicious of Wall Streets "working formula", thanks for confirming that! |
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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 1676 Location: CHINA-at-large
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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A few years back, Thats Shanghai Magazine had an issue focused upon Shanghai's English school business, with the cover photo showing hip Chinese dudes in T-shirts and shades looking at---apparently---English school Ads. The title of the Cover, and Cover Story, was "The Word on the Street."
I wrote an article focused upon:
*Wall Street
*Web
*alternative approaches, such as Role Play.
Later I met 2 Wall Street teachers who disagreed w/the WS approach, and left to develop their own in-person classes at a very high-priced office bldg. When I told them my name, they both started laughing. It turned out that when my story was published, they had just left WS to start their own school. The WS people were certain that it was they who had published the article, under a pseudonym...my name.
I taught at DOS in WuHan, based on the WS etc. model, but w/different software. I've visited WS in PuDong, gave English Corners at Web in Hangzhou and Shanghai. Before teachers (or students) sign any contracts, they should visit classes, and see if it fits their teaching/learning styles. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Clothing is cheap in China, |
Don't you believe it - - especially if you are tall or fat or *ahem*, big-chested, or . . . anything, it seems, other than slim and average-height. Odds are you will have to shop in an upscale, "foreign" store to find clothes that may fit you and, for us big guys, not even there! I had a couple shirts tailor made for me. Factor in the cost of the material in one store and the tailor fee in another place and the cost was easily 3X the off-the-rack stuff you see in your average clothing store. I inquired about a pair of corduroy trousers and was put off by the cost of the material alone!
I'm not saying "beach bum" attire is the way to go either, but what the OP describes as his normal dress seems just fine to me. |
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Spiderman Too
Joined: 15 Aug 2004 Posts: 732 Location: Caught in my own web
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Odds are you will have to shop ..... upscale |
Or downscale. I bought a pair of shorts at Carrefour on the weekend and noticed that the size range of many of the store's clothing lines included XL and XXL.
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I inquired about a pair of corduroy trousers |
Man, are you a child of the 60s or what? |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Babala

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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I have been working for Web International for over 2 1/2 years. The only downside to Web is that they require longer hours than your typical public school or uni and there is very little holiday time. Other than those two things, I think it's a great place to work. Good atmosphere, great students, they offer a high salary and I have never had a problem with pay, housing etc... |
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halroach
Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Posts: 43 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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My girlfriend worked at Kai En, changed for a 'better' postion at Wall Street in beijing, but now wants to get back to Kai En. They really emphasize teacher training, it seems.
In fact, that's not saying much. None of the other schools pays the slightest attention to academic quality or teacher development.
I'd be curious to know if Web International do any teacher training. Somehow I doubt it. |
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Babala

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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All teachers at Web International are required to go to a 3 day training session at the head office in Shanghai. |
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vikdk
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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3 days  |
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Babala

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Well vikdk,
Exactly how much teacher training do most schools offer  |
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vikdk
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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Exactly how much teacher training do most schools offer |
probally enough to send me into fits again - but 3 days is cutting it a bit fine - my krap 1st job training company gave us 2 weeks of what they called training, and I thought thay was cutting it to the bone, since training here is not just learning the job, but tuning into a new working enviroment - man did I tune in  |
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