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jw72
Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 13
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: Iran situation |
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Hello, all! What's the word on the street in your respective countries regarding a possible war with Iran? Are Americans becoming more unpopular? If a war starts, will English teachers become a target? Are the Shiite populations where you are becoming more angry?
Thanks,
John
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Bindair Dundat
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 1123
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Iran situation |
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jw72 wrote: |
Hello, all! What's the word on the street in your respective countries regarding a possible war with Iran? |
Doesn't really matter, does it? GWB doesn't discuss his intentions "on the street".
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Are Americans becoming more unpopular? If a war starts, will English teachers become a target? Are the Shiite populations where you are becoming more angry? |
Sorry to say so, but these strike me as some very naive questions -- either that or you're trolling.
Americans in the abstract couldn't be any more unpopular. However, few of us are abstractions, and we generally find ways to muddle through despite the political atmosphere.
I can't imagine why English teachers would become a target, or how anyone whould know whether one is an English teacher or not. Perhaps terrorists will appear at the door and ask the householder to conjugate obscure irregular verbs? Do it right and they cut your throat...
Don't have my finger on the Shiite pulse at the moment. There are a few living on my street, though, so I'll drop by tonight and ask them how they feel. I'll have to get back to you on this, but I imagine they'll feel more surprised than angry.
HTH |
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younggeorge
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 350 Location: UAE
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Well put, BD.
Surely no-one really believes there's going to be a war with Iran? Some unpleasantness, yes, but no invasion, no bombs - even GW isnt that dumb. Is he? |
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angrysoba

Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: Kansai, Japan
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Iran situation |
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Bindair Dundat wrote: |
I can't imagine why English teachers would become a target, or how anyone whould know whether one is an English teacher or not. Perhaps terrorists will appear at the door and ask the householder to conjugate obscure irregular verbs? Do it right and they cut your throat...
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Well, naive as the OPs questions may have been English teachers don't have to be explicit targets for them to put in danger. This is the General Middle East forum and not just the forum for where ever you live. English teachers probably weren't the targets when a Britich Council building in Palestine was torched recently but they could well have been in harm's way.
Anyway, I hope your confidence that GWB isn't going to bomb any facilities whatsoever in Iran is well-founded or the picture may not stay as rosy as it is now. |
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younggeorge
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 350 Location: UAE
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Of course English teachers can get caught up in any violence that goes on - as BD said, how can people know who's a teacher or, for that matter, who's American? But it's worth noting that, in the UAE at least, fears of anti-Westerner violence at the times of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq didn't materialise. There seems to be a general understanding that individual Americans and Brits are not responsible for the actions of their governments. |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Let me start by saying that I am pretty certain there won't be an invasion of Iran in the near-future. The (neo-con) will is certainly there, but the means are not, thanks in no small part to the colossal failure that the invasion of Iraq has been.
Anyway, were such a war to happen, there is no doubt that it would stir up (even) more anger among Muslims the world over, whether they be Sunnis or Shiites. Such anger might well take violent form, though exactly what form it would take is impossible to predict.
Regarding teachers as possible targets, even when the attacks on expats in KSA were at their height in around 2003, teachers were never specifically targetted. Nor were they specifically spared, of course, as many such attacks were quite indiscriminate, eg. the bombings of compounds housing both Saudis and "Westerners". I also agree with george that the vast majroity of people here make a clear distinction between the citizens of countries like the US and Britain on hte one hand, and the policies of their governments on the other. While the latter are widely reviled, the former are generally quite liked. |
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Bindair Dundat
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 1123
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: Re: Iran situation |
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Bindair Dundat wrote: |
Don't have my finger on the Shiite pulse at the moment. There are a few living on my street, though, so I'll drop by tonight and ask them how they feel. I'll have to get back to you on this, but I imagine they'll feel more surprised than angry.
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Checked in with the Shiites. They're fine. Didn't appear angry to me. They told me to stop by any time.
Think it's a trap? |
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Bindair Dundat
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 1123
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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younggeorge wrote: |
Surely no-one really believes there's going to be a war with Iran? Some unpleasantness, yes, but no invasion, no bombs - even GW isnt that dumb. Is he? |
Actually, I think he is. I am more and more convinced of it as time goes on. I saw him on CNN the other night, talking about ethanol as though it were HIS idea.
It has occurred to me that if the governing class in America had more brains, they would take better care of their own people. The people would then be more likely to repay the government with their support, which would then allow GWB & friends to engage in any imperialistic adventure of their choosing.
Take care of your own, and your own will take care of you. Sheikh Zayed had that figured out. Too bad we don't in America. |
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running dog
Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 37
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: |
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A couple of points
a.What ever the threat to Westerners (efl instructors or other), I wouldn't give much for the chances of anyone currently involved in Iran's uranium enrichment project. Get out while you can, guys! While it's a no-brainer to state the U.S is highly unlikely to attempt a further invasion in the ME, Israeli intelligence and military have been preparing for the current situation for decades. And while it would certainly be more difficult to destroy Iran's bomb-making capacity than was the case in the 80s when Israel bombed Iraqi nuclear sites, it certainly wouldn't be impossible. On the contrary, it's certain. Think Cuban missile crisis. The Israelis just aren't going to let a hostile regional power go nuclear.
b. Can anyone - preferably someone on the ground in Iran - explain what Ahmadinejad thinks he's up to? Is the bluster and sabre-rattling simply for domestic consumption? A latter day version of Krushchev's "we'll bury all of you"? Go figure.
C. Bush's stupidity. Okay, granted. But he's surrounded, certainly in part, by people who are about as far from being morons as it's possible to be, who know exactly what they're doing and why. Underestimating them is about as dangerous as it gets.
Not exactly standard tefl stuff for this site but since someone else brought up the topic in the first place it's as well discussed here as anywhere else. |
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Bindair Dundat
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 1123
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: |
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running dog wrote: |
C. Bush's stupidity. Okay, granted. But he's surrounded, certainly in part, by people who are about as far from being morons as it's possible to be, who know exactly what they're doing and why. Underestimating them is about as dangerous as it gets. |
I disagree with all of your points, but because today is Sunday, I will be merciful and address only this one.
Bush's people have a good amount of intelligence that they have trained themselves to use well in certain endeavors. Their talents are not broad; that's why they have gotten themselves, as well as Bush, in deep trouble on some fronts while simultaneously managing to enrich themselves; that's why Bush's approval rating is down around 30 per cent. If they were as adept as you suggest, they should have been able to commit their crimes while keeping most of the people relatively happy. As it is, they have few supporters left because they didn't cover their backsides adequately; they just took the money and artlessly ran. |
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