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Jazz1975



Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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Location: Zama, Kanagawa

PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: GEOS Reply with quote

Well, in case some of you didn't read this as it was on another thread, I thought I'd copy and paste this:

Well, I just got axed. And I'm PISSED not because I got axed, but because she made me WAIT when we both knew she didn't want to hire me. Okay, let me be clear here: We were told during the weekend to call in on Tuesday to find out if we got in or not. I knew I didn't get in just by the stuff she was asking me. That, and my gut feeling told me so. I would've APPRECIATED IT if she was honest about that. Before any of you dispute what I say, I was the one who was in that final interview section so I know what I'm talking about. Vent done.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to tell you this, but that's the way life is everywhere. Get used to it and move on.

On a related note, did you ever stop to consider the fact that the one person you are ranting about may not have had the final say on things, so she might not have been able to tell you right then and there?
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: GEOS Reply with quote

Jazz1975 wrote:
Well, in case some of you didn't read this as it was on another thread, I thought I'd copy and paste this:

Well, I just got axed. And I'm PISSED not because I got axed, but because she made me WAIT when we both knew she didn't want to hire me. Okay, let me be clear here: We were told during the weekend to call in on Tuesday to find out if we got in or not. I knew I didn't get in just by the stuff she was asking me. That, and my gut feeling told me so. I would've APPRECIATED IT if she was honest about that. Before any of you dispute what I say, I was the one who was in that final interview section so I know what I'm talking about. Vent done.



Jazz, you didnt get axed as you havent even been hired yet. You cant get fired from a job you dont even hold.

You simply didn't make the final cut for reasons only known to yourself and the recruiter.


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canuck



Joined: 11 May 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:57 am    Post subject: Re: GEOS Reply with quote

Jazz1975 wrote:
Well, in case some of you didn't read this as it was on another thread, I thought I'd copy and paste this:

Well, I just got axed. And I'm PISSED not because I got axed, but because she made me WAIT when we both knew she didn't want to hire me. Okay, let me be clear here: We were told during the weekend to call in on Tuesday to find out if we got in or not. I knew I didn't get in just by the stuff she was asking me. That, and my gut feeling told me so. I would've APPRECIATED IT if she was honest about that. Before any of you dispute what I say, I was the one who was in that final interview section so I know what I'm talking about. Vent done.


1. You screwed up your Aeon application and didn't make the cut there.
2. You went through the Geos process and didn't make the grade there.
3. You can't get axed. You weren't even hired.
4. You're going for the "I can't cut it from the conversation school interview hat trick" if you aren't successful with ECC.
5. You thought the ECC Grammar test was "impossible" and "impossible" to study for.... Rolling Eyes (think about buying a book like English Grammar in Use or Practical English Usage)
6. You have 295 posts since Feb. 2006 Shocked

On and on....

Seriously, you need to reevaluate. Here are some suggestions:

1. Come over on a working holiday visa and find a job.
2. Stay in Canada and take a TEFL or CELTA course and try again.
3. Keep trying to apply to NOVA and the JET program.
4. Try smaller schools and wait until one hires you while in Canada. For example, try http://www.ohayosensei.com/Getfree.html

Look for jobs where they don't require you to currently reside in Japan.
5. Move on with your life.

If you put in as much time trying to find a job as you do flooding this board with every emotion you have, day in, day out on your job search, soba noodles and what you were thinking about while you were filling out your applications etc. you would already have a job now.

You have to realize, if you don't get hired by at least one of the big 4 conversation schools, something is wrong and you need to adjust. It would be very impressive to somehow not get hired by all of them. You and Keith_Allen_W should start a club.
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Re: GEOS Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
You have to realize, if you don't get hired by at least one of the big 4 conversation schools, something is wrong and you need to adjust. It would be very impressive to somehow not get hired by all of them. You and Keith_Allen_W should start a club.


Jazz is the only person I know who could write on own web blog on how to get a job here.....before one even arrives in the country.


Jazz I realise you are trying hard to get yourself hired and its almost like you are willing yourself into a job, but it could be even that you come across as being TOO earnest and too serious in your approach and you are perhaps intimidating recruiters. Being nervous is fine but perhaps its the intensity or the effort to try and please so much that may be doing you in.

I'm sorry I dont have any suggestions for you. Maybe its just not meant to be at this point.
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Willy_In_Japan



Joined: 20 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz,

Consider yourself lucky that you didn't get hired by GEOS.

There are other (better) options. You CAN try again.

If you got to the final day of the GEOS interview, you must be doing something right. They cut dozens of people down on the first morning of the first day at my GEOS interview.

A lot of people slag Interac on here because they have issues about dispatch companies. Fair enough. However, I have worked for GEOS and Interac, and I can tell you that I am MUCH happier as an ALT. Don't discount applying to work as an ALT.

Brush up on your Grammar terms while you are working on other things. Take your experience at the GEOS interview and make it work for you in the next interviews.

Remember, that the decision is also made in Tokyo regarding your hiring.

You have time to do that for the August hiring.

Gambatte ne!
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send a resume to Graham Page at language House in Takamatsu, where I first worked in japan. Sure its not Tokyo or Osaka, its in Shikoku but you are swiftly running out of options. Graham interviews in Canada as well as Australia and you may need to get your foot in the door somewhere. Takamatsu is small but liveable and its only a couple of hours by car from Kobe. I'm in fact applying for a teaching job in Tokushima starting in October.


Graham Page
c/o Language House
Kawaramachi
Takamatsu-shi
Kagawa-ken
JAPAN
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Willy_In_Japan



Joined: 20 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz,

Consider yourself lucky that you didn't get hired by GEOS.

There are other (better) options. You CAN try again.

If you got to the final day of the GEOS interview, you must be doing something right. They cut dozens of people down on the first morning of the first day at my GEOS interview.

A lot of people slag Interac on here because they have issues about dispatch companies. Fair enough. However, I have worked for GEOS and Interac, and I can tell you that I am MUCH happier as an ALT. Don't discount applying to work as an ALT.

Brush up on your Grammar terms while you are working on other things. Take your experience at the GEOS interview and make it work for you in the next interviews.

Remember, that the decision is also made in Tokyo regarding your hiring.

You have time to do that for the August hiring.

Gambatte ne!
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Jazz1975



Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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Location: Zama, Kanagawa

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
I hate to tell you this, but that's the way life is everywhere. Get used to it and move on.


Yes, I know that. I wasn't born yesterday.
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: GEOS Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
You thought the ECC Grammar test was "impossible" and "impossible" to study for.... Rolling Eyes (think about buying a book like English Grammar in Use or Practical English Usage)


Actually, I'm not the first or last to say that about the ECC Grammar test. I've seen it on the forums here. And I do have a grammar book to study out of.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I knew I didn't get in just by the stuff she was asking me.
For instance? Our crystal balls on the Cafe just aren't as clear as yours.

Jazz wrote:
Quote:
I would've APPRECIATED IT if she was honest about that.


Glenski wrote:
Quote:
I hate to tell you this, but that's the way life is everywhere. Get used to it and move on.


Jazz wrote:
Quote:
Yes, I know that. I wasn't born yesterday.


Well, you are sure acting like it. Either that, or a sore loser who can't learn from experience. As others have pointed out, reevaluate what you may have done wrong (or what others have done right), instead of coming here and pointlessly b!tching about it. Venting is good for the soul, but with your track record, you won't find too many sympathizers here.
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Posts: 2286
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sympathetic -- to a point. Don't dwell on it too much. It's true that the final decision may not have belonged to the interviewer. And even if it had, I know of enough people who've thought that they've blown interviews (by the questions they were asked) and ended up getting the job or the opposite -- they were sure they nailed it but ended up getting short-listed (that's been my own experience many times).

Applying for a job is kinda like figure skating... Skill and talent gets you pretty far, but the difference between a gold medal and fourth place is contingent on the hangover of the Russian judge... Choosing a winner is very subjective.

Echoing the suggestion made earlier in the thread, is it possible for you to consider getting a WHV? I'd seriously consider it. Neither my wife nor I were able to get ANYTHING when we were still in Canada. No, wait... There was one offer, but I rejected it based on the feedback I received on the quality of the contract. (The thread was recently resurrected actually). Both my wife and I came to Japan on WHVs, without jobs, without even a place to stay for the night when we landed in Narita... But two weeks later, through a LOT of pavement-pounding and hard work, we secured jobs (at the same eikaiwa, by the way -- they hired us both).*

*Disclaimer. Results may vary. I neither recommend nor dissuade people from trying what we did. I realize that in many ways we were either very, very lucky, or had God watching over us. Smile
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have mentioned before but maybe it didnt register. Playing the victim or feeling persecuted by job recruiters becuas ethey dont answer your calls straight away wont win much sympathy. It now sounds like you have this huge chip on your shoulder that you are unemployable and you are taking it out on the recruiters, as though its their fault and they should have hired you. No one owes you a job because you went through three days of training.

I am now gearing up for another job search this year and will probably send out up to 50 or 60 resumes (registered mail, $10 each) before Im done, and jump through hoops including travel all over the country. the CV has to be custom written according to school specifications. The one I sent yesterday even specified the size of photograph in centimeters. One page report in Japanese.


You have to jump through the hoops and you dont hear me beating myself up about how unfair it all seems. Pick yourself up, dust your self off and quit feeling sorry for yourself.
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angrysoba



Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: Kansai, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, I just got axed. And I'm PISSED not because I got axed, but because she made me WAIT when we both knew she didn't want to hire me.


Jazz, very few interviewers will tell their interviewees immediately if they have been unsuccessful. This is normal, and even if you would have appreciated being told earlier it is unreasonable to have expected her to do so.

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Before any of you dispute what I say, I was the one who was in that final interview section so I know what I'm talking about.


This comment is rather petulant and defensive. We are not allowed to dispute what you say because we weren't there, but if you actually gave us some more concrete information about the interview then maybe we could give you some constructive criticism. All we can say about your interview technique is based on how you come across to people on the forum. You have written alot of posts about some very minute details and sometimes become quite demanding for information. I don't know about others on this forum but to me you seem a little highly strung and eikaiwa companies do not want people who could cause problems for them.

Perhaps if you calmed down more you would seem like the kind of push-over teacher that the big four companies want. But when you say:

Quote:
Yes, I know that. I wasn't born yesterday.


then you look like trouble...
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canuck



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:

Applying for a job is kinda like figure skating... Skill and talent gets you pretty far, but the difference between a gold medal and fourth place is contingent on the hangover of the Russian judge... Choosing a winner is very subjective.


LOL Laughing
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