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[PlasticPill]

I was chatting with a friend of mine in Surabaya, and she sent me a website ( http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20060712.@01&irec=0 ) that explains that there has been a change in the law on childrens status to Indonesian mothers with foreign husbands. It seemed to discriminate Chinese primarily, but I think it can affect anyone.

Anyone over there know the ACTUAL law, as it stands now, NOT 10 years ago?

I'm also curious about the PR status of the foreign husband too. Are they allowed to get PR status if they marry an Indonesian woman?

Too much? I'll try to sum up what I'm confused about...

1) Do bules who marry Indonesian women get PR status? Are you SURE???

2) If a bule has a child with an Indonesian woman, and their married, does the child get PR status? Are you SURE???

I tried googling this and it only left me even more confused.

And yes, I tried searching the forums. My keywords were "PR status of children or husband" Lots of results, one of which was a year old.

Terima kasih!

[gugelhupf]

All I know is what I have read in the local press (English and Bahasa Indonesia) but indeed it appears that bule husbands who have 5 years continuous, or 10 years discontinuous, residence here ARE entitiled to permanent residence under the new regulations. Children BORN HERE have right to Indonesian nationality and residence but it is unclear whether any of this will be applied retrospectively. You may have to live here for another five years, for example, even if you have been resident for the last twenty!

[happy_me]

ya thays but the five years need to be non stop not evern 1 month brake and if u have kids and they find out you need to do the paper work within 3 weeks or the fines start up and then you need to get a visa for them so they can stay wich need to be renued every year...

thats why very few teachers stay here after having kids

[PlasticPill]

Do they actually expect you to take visa runs every 30 days during those five years?! If yes, do the kids have to take visa runs as well with you? Thats bogus!!

[Chancellor]

[TEAM_PAPUA]

[PlasticPill]

[wannaBguru]

in indonesia, children follow the nationality of the father. in american and some other countries, they follow the soil, ie they become citizens of they country ther are born, regardless of the nationality of their parents and whether their parents are legal immigrants. TP is right that it is illegal to register a child from an expat father as indonesian. the only way to do this is if the father doesnt sign the birth certificate and the father is declared as unknown. of course this means they arent allowed to attend indo public schoools because they dont have fathers. it is possible to later get a dna test and prove the paternity of the bule father and then get a birth certificate issued and then take it to his embassy and get a passport and so forth issued. a huge pain in the >>>> once the baby is born, u have 2 weeks to registar the baby and begin work on getting a kitas issued. if not done within the 2 weeks, there is a 20 us dollar per day fine. a friend of mine just got fined over 8000 dollars but they settled for 15 million.
u do not need to do visa runs with your children. most schools and companies will sponsor the child, but required the fathers to pay all costs.
another way to do this is by putting the child on the mothers passport. takes a bit of work, but is miles easier as it can be renewed in country til the child hits 18. therefore the kitas isnt dependant on where the father works. if the father changes jobs, the sponsorship of the child must change too and both will have to go to singapore. if u remain at the same job, kitas can be renewed in country for 5 years, so no trips to singapore are neccessary.
indonesia is currently considering allowing babies of bule fathers to hold dual citizenship until they are 17. babies born of bule fathers are not allowed to attend indo public schools and must attend either national plus or international schools.
also under consideration are 2 year kitas.

[PlasticPill]

Terima kasih!!!!

Just the information I was trying to find. I believe it because I remember reading about the "birth of the soil" thing and Indonesia only recognizing the father and not the mother. Lame....but I'm not Indonesian, so I won't judge it. If I get married, I do hope things change. I'd like to be able to visit her family without worrying about stupid visas, especially if we have children later on.

[wannaBguru]

are u talking about living here or in the usa? kitas/work visas are usually for 1 year and require sponsorship from an organization allowed to hire bules.
your last post made it sound like u would live elsewhere and just come to visit. if u are just coming to visit her family, u would come in on a tourist visa which are provided on arrival for a nominal charge of 25 dollars good for thirty days. the day u arrive is counted as day 1. if u plan to stay for more than thirty days, your wife can sponsor you and the children on a socail visa which is good for sixty days and can renewed 4 times in the country (30 days each time) for a total of 180 days. u wouldnt be eligible for a kitas as a tourist. hope this helps.

[PlasticPill]

Living there. If a bule marries an Indo, I don't think the bule should still require a damn tourist visa. They should be given PR status....like most countries do. I was confused because I believe Indo doesn't grant that just because a Bule marries an Indo...I think they still have to apply for visa...which means visa runs....which is a load of bangsat!

I am coming to visit though, and I know all about the tourist visa. Since I'm actualy "touring" it's not a problem....but if I were married, and I was seeing family...I don't believe I should have to to worry about freaking visas. Especially if I chose to live there.


...better?

[happy_me]

wannaBguru has got it right, so no need to repet it, the whole thing i just a way to get fast cash from the bula. and if u happen to move to some where wher the bula's make more thay will think u do to and charge like wise..
Welcom to Indo

[PlasticPill]

Lovely.

[Chester]

plastic dude.
r u saying that if i marry an american, or an english woman, or a polish chick, or an Indonesian i am automatically a permanent resident?

silly me. i thought residency required meeting criteria such as spouse sponshership, assurance of support of self support, police record check, etc.

[PlasticPill]

Nope. Ofcourse, only an idiot would make that assumption. Being that this is a public forum, I can't say I'm surprised to find ones, like you, reaching that conclusion.

Silly me, I thought spelling three letter words was simplistic. Obviously not for some people.