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[java_gila]

I got this from my employer:

In May the goverment made it compulsory for people in the field of education to hold a degree in order to obtain a Kitas.


Anyone has more info on this.

Jack

[philbags]

hmmm ...... its been pushing in that direction for a while, I think you just need a picture of one. the authorities wont be happy til theres no palefaces left in indo methinks.

[gugelhupf]

This is true. The regulation has been in place for quite some time but has been enforced rather patchily to date. The work and manpower ministry are even getting picky about which type of degree in some educational jobs.

Having said that, I'm prepared to bet that 'exceptions' will continue to be made following the established custom of making gifts.

[TEAM_PAPUA]

Looks like 90% of the ESL 'teachers' in JKT will be needing a ticket home.

[Ebien]

Applicable for regular school such as National, National Plus, and International school.

Not yet enforced for Language School.

[TEAM_PAPUA]

[Chester]

bar people, and factory workers earn more than most degree and cert qualified ESl teachers in australia. burger flippers a little less,
i have done the math. those who teach in indo without "qualifications" deserve a fair go however. if they have learned and display the teaching skills they at least have an occupation that gives them some dignity and many feel they make a contribution to the future and welfare of indonesia.
met some native indonesian teachers also with no formal teaching qualifications and they were well received by admin, staff and students.

[TEAM_PAPUA]

I don't work in Australia - but I can understand the need for English teachers to teach the Australians how to speak English

In Indonesia we can earn more than a bank manager - can a barman do that in Australia?

I believe the government is doing the right thing requiring teachers to hold degrees - how can you educate if you are not educated?


I'll have a pint of XXXX when you've finished serving the other customers. Thanks.

[Chester]

fair enough.
so the indonesian government legislates in order to provide for the good of the people, huh?
i stand educated by you sir.

what is the relevence between someone having a degree in arts, or geology, and having an ability to teach english?

but these points have been covered endlessly before.

[happy_me]

Au chus. u meen my pig farmer MA dosent meke me a techr ant no one can tech pigs like me's. aneyweys if'n all the un Q. teachs gos what'l the poor rich kids do all afternoon.?

funny thing is there are 4 EF teachers in town must be hiding cus i'v never seen thems and it a smell towns, all i sees it the white guys that can pat 400-600,000 in the bar

[Fishy]

I am a newly qualified teacher and one thing that has concerned me when speaking to EF and other schools is that you can get a job teaching English with very little qualifications. If you get a degree in the UK you will have to have had a good standard of English to get through the essays and assignments, and very importantly you will have learnt to present to a group.
I worry about how the outside world sees EFL teaching and I worry about the standard of EFL teachers out there. I think to be a teacher, a university degree should be a minimum requirement and am happy to see the Indonesian government make this requirement.

To happy_me, I can't make any sense of your post and have had trouble reading some of your other posts. Are you an English teacher?

[gugelhupf]

This argument keeps coming up and, yes, it's true that having a degree or higher qualification doesn't automatically make a good teacher and we all know of some pretty crap ESL teachers with an MA in applied linguistics or similar... yes, I understand the arguments. I have voiced them myself in the past.

Now that I am involved in the recruitment of teachers, however, I play it safe and I want BOTH a degree AND good teaching ability - I don't see it as a choice between one or the other. Good teachers without a degree will always find a decent job with someone else, while crap teachers with a good degree can make it in China or Korea.

Oh, almost forgot. For crap teachers who have no degree - just go along to one of those language schools with the blue logo and sign up.

[guruengerish]

Well, HAPPY_ME has already explained, that he has a degree in pig farming, therefore he can legally teach in Indonesia. Horticulture or Agriculture or Accountancy are also good subjects to graduate in, and teach overseas, as I've seen it done.

However, irrespective of what your field of expertise might be, the TEFLA certificate course is a must, IMHO.

Not all Uni graduates are good at grammar, punctuation or even spelling, and this course helps straighten things out. Coupled with a few year's experience at teaching, University graduates or Technical graduates or pig breeders can make durned good teachers.

I have seen Uni graduates unable to speak in front of a class, so I can't agree that a graduate automatically is able to do this.

[wailing_imam]

TO FISHY,

Never heard such crap in my life regarding getting a degree in an English University. YOU DO NOT NEED GOOD GRAMMAR, PRESENTATION SKILLS, OR GOOD WRITING SKILLS to get a degree in the UK. You can sit on your arse, get drunk all day and still come out with a BA. UK degrees are, quite frankly, a complete joke. I found my A-levels much more challenging than getting a degree.

[wannaBguru]

i think teaching is a talent, exclusive of education. actually a set of talents, skills, and personality. kinda like cooking, either u can do it or u cant. met a guy that went to culinary school and couldnt cook a hamburger. however, i do believe that it is very important to back your talent with the type of knowledge you get when getting a proper teaching qualification, such as how languages are learned, different learning styles, various teaching methologies, etc. also, teaching practiums teach u to observe yourself and your students while teaching and to analyze the success of your lesson and make the appropriate changes before you teach it again. u also learn how to make your lesson go from teacher orinted to student oriented activities when teaching new language skills. while games may make the lesson more enjoyable for both student and teacher, activities geared towards the target skill make the lesson fun AND VALUABLE. so if u have the talent to be a great teacher and u truly care about giving your students the best you can, why not back it up with some education. now it is easy to get a long distance degree. while maybe not as good as sitting in a classroom, valuable information can still be learned. and it makes u more qualifed when u are trying to get that next job. u and your students win