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TESOL Cert Programs: Exploiting or Helping Candidates?
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Florizalll



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: TESOL Cert Programs: Exploiting or Helping Candidates? Reply with quote

I went on an "Interview" for the American TESOL Institute in NYC, and was offered a position in their 5-day "training" course for a TESOL certificate. The interviewer could not validate that the program was accredited and I am skeptical that this course is a money-making scheme. The interviewer said that once I attain the certificate I would be garanteed a job placement- no additional charge- or my money towards the certificate would be refunded. The tuition fee is $850.00.

What do you know about the American TESOL Institute (Milestones)? Do you think that this 5-day training would provide me with a proper background for teaching ESL?

Would TESOL certification make me a more viable candidate in the job market?

How important is an ESL Certificate from a university accredited program when appliying for teaching positions in non-English speaking countries?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: TESOL Cert Programs: Exploiting or Helping Candidates? Reply with quote

Florizalll wrote:
I went on an "Interview" for the American TESOL Institute in NYC, and was offered a position in their 5-day "training" course for a TESOL certificate. The interviewer could not validate that the program was accredited and I am skeptical that this course is a money-making scheme. The interviewer said that once I attain the certificate I would be garanteed a job placement- no additional charge- or my money towards the certificate would be refunded. The tuition fee is $850.00.


Save your money. it wont make ANY difference.


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What do you know about the American TESOL Institute (Milestones)? Do you think that this 5-day training would provide me with a proper background for teaching ESL?



Do a CELTA if you want to learn how to teach English as a FL

Pay peanuts you get monkeys.


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Would TESOL certification make me a more viable candidate in the job market?


It would if you have EFL teaching experience and want to improve your skills.


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How important is an ESL Certificate from a university accredited program when appliying for teaching positions in non-English speaking countries?


Not very. You only need a BA to get a work visa here and what you have is not a degree but a short term (5-day) diploma. Small potattoes and you learn squat in only 5 days.

Employers like experience and you get hired based on your personality and ATTITUDE, not your paper qualifications.


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Florizalll



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank your for your feedback! I think I won't persue the TESOL certificate!
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wangtesol



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TESOL certificates are a scam. There is actually a good article on TESOL certificate providers possibly being targets of educational fraud cases.

The article is here...

http://www.tesol-law.com/Vol_1_2006_jj&pr.php

and here is a sample...


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One area of educational malpractice that does seem more likely is that of a TESOL teacher suing his TESOL Certificate / degree provider.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get Trinity or CELTA accredited training if you can afford it. It will be recognised wherever you go.

Any training is better than none at all, but only to yourself, not to that many employers. And not at $850 a week when the training is recognised by nobody but the training provider, and is not independently assessed
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americantesol



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: American TESOL Institute Reply with quote

In regards to your concern Florizall:

Being American TESOL certified qualifies you to teach English worldwide, and is the USA`s standard TESOL certification program for Americans wishing to teach and travel abroad.

Accreditation, Affiliation, & Licensing:
The American TESOL Institute, USA is state licensed in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA.

American TESOL Programs held online, and by various organizations worldwide, are evaluated and accredited by the American Association For International English Proficiency, to ensure international standards are met.

The American TESOL Institute Beijing is licensed under the The State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs in The Peoples Republic of China.

The American TESOL Institute Taiwan is affiliated with the Fu Jen Catholic University located in Taipei, Taiwan.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: American TESOL Institute Reply with quote

americantesol wrote:
Being American TESOL certified qualifies you to teach English worldwide, and is the USA`s standard TESOL certification program for Americans wishing to teach and travel abroad.

Wrong. There is NO "standard" TESOL certification in the U.S. Why is yours THE standard? Can you document that assertion?
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americantesol



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

American TESOL Institute began in Baton Rouge, La, USA in 2002, when a team of education experts came together to create a unique TESOL program based on research from Asia, into how students of ESL learn. The valuable insight they gained through their research, combined with a strong determination to restructure TESOL methods in the USA, was the beginning of what is now America's number one TESOL online and in-class education and job placement system.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: American TESOL Institute Reply with quote

americantesol wrote:
Accreditation, Affiliation, & Licensing:
The American TESOL Institute, USA is state licensed in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA.

American TESOL Programs held online, and by various organizations worldwide, are evaluated and accredited by the American Association For International English Proficiency, to ensure international standards are met.

The American TESOL Institute Beijing is licensed under the The State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs in The Peoples Republic of China.

The American TESOL Institute Taiwan is affiliated with the Fu Jen Catholic University located in Taipei, Taiwan.



Who are these people when they are at home? Who accredits the accreditors?

Virtually anyone who can get a visa in China can get a job.

At American TESOL Institute, we guarantee job placement, and will work diligently to place you in the country of your choice. Different countries like Spain, Greece, Korea, and Japan have slightly different requirements regarding background education, and knowing which countries you will have the best opportunity of finding employment can be an invaluable asset. We are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to job placement, and we can help cater your search to whichever country you would like to teach English.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

americantesol wrote:
American TESOL Institute began in Baton Rouge, La, USA in 2002, when a team of education experts came together to create a unique TESOL program based on research from Asia, into how students of ESL learn. The valuable insight they gained through their research, combined with a strong determination to restructure TESOL methods in the USA, was the beginning of what is now America's number one TESOL online and in-class education and job placement system.


I would like to know how you can evaluate people online with no teaching practicum and no observed teaching? What can you teach a person in 5-days? Can people actually fail your course? They can on CELTA.

What is the relationship between you and employers that you send graduates to?


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americantesol



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The standards for ESL teachers in China are becoming standardized through the State Administration of Foreign Expert Affairs. With the booming economy, they have standards for teachers now, and will soon be able to compete with countries like Taiwan and South Korea.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

americantesol wrote:
... what is now America's number one TESOL online and in-class education and job placement system.

"Number one" meaning what exactly? Sales dollars? Numbers of students? Numbers of successful job placements?

This is not the same as saying that something is "the standard," which was your original assertion on this thread.
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americantesol



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you compete ATI certification you will have the practical theory and knowledge behind TESOL. ATI suggest 5-10 hours of volunteer or observation teaching to add to your resume, which can be arranged through our office. All in all, a final evaluation of your completed assignments are done by your instructor, and certification is granted based on this evaluation.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

americantesol wrote:
The standards for ESL teachers in China are becoming standardized through the State Administration of Foreign Expert Affairs. With the booming economy, they have standards for teachers now, and will soon be able to compete with countries like Taiwan and South Korea.



I did a search for this "American Association For International English Proficiency" and there is no such thing on the Web. Do you have a link?


sounds Mickey Mouse to me.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

americantesol wrote:
Once you compete ATI certification you will have the practical theory and knowledge behind TESOL. ATI suggest 5-10 hours of volunteer or observation teaching to add to your resume, which can be arranged through our office. All in all, a final evaluation of your completed assignments are done by your instructor, and certification is granted based on this evaluation.


Excuse me for being a skeptic, but I have a graduate degree in TESOL and have a pretty good idea what you can learn in 5 days, and its not much. A full time certified CELTA course takes 120 hours or one month full time with at least 15 hours of observed practical teaching. What I can only surmise is that you have groups of students who are willing to act as guinea pigs for people training to be ESL teachers in return for a free lesson.

What are the qualifications and experience of your instructors? What degrees do they have? Who are they trained by?


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