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X-MAN
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: JOBS in JAPAN |
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It seems that a lot of people on this forum tend to get slightly "put off" or "scared off" by certain people who frequently post on this site and others. For example, it appears there are regular posters who spend unlimited hours on this site such as Glenski and Paul H. While they may have been in Japan a long time (perhaps far too long), they seem to have the answers for just about every job-related question that comes up on this forum. For those of you who have been following this site, please keep in mind that neither of them have been out in the Tokyo market and neither of them have had much experience in the part-time market. Tokyo is a different world from Hokkaido and from Kansai. The opportunities are far greater and the salaries often considerably higher. If you have an education and some experience, Tokyo can be a fantastic place to make a great living -- even in today's market.
There are many many teachers who live here year after year and make a great living. You can do very well even if you don't have loads of experience or haven't been here that long. It is the Glenskis and Paul H's who tell everyone that without an MA degree or without this or without that, you can't get anything but an entry-level position at some lousy 250,000 yen/month job. That is a complete myth. If you are intelligent, want to work and do well, there are loads of opportunities.
Please be cautious of their "advice." They try to paint a picture that they are in some elite class and have accomplished what the average person can't. It's sad and ridiculous. They keep bringing up this issue of how they are simply being "realistic". In actuality, the opportunties are numerous and possibilities endless.
Please keep this in mind before you believe all the UI they provide.
What is UI? [useless info.].
Also, the main idea / concept of these forums is to obtain / share info. with many different people from all over the place. It is unfortunate that certain people always have to have a say on every matter. Perhaps they should limit the number of posts so that certain people do not HOG the forums. |
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Chris21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe you could offer some specific examples of what these opportunities are, and where they can be found? More than 250,000 sounds great but I haven't seen any of these jobs. If you could provide some more insights, it would be greatly appreciated. |
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Sweetsee
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Who do you find the most annoying poster here? Though I ask, I am unwilling to say because I don't want to be mean. Does that mean I have an internet-conscience or just feel sorry for them? Either way, how about you?
As for Paul and Glenski, I like them. Takes a lot of people to make a world!
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 4672
Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: Re: JOBS in JAPAN |
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| X-MAN wrote: |
| It seems that a lot of people on this forum tend to get slightly "put off" or "scared off" by certain people who frequently post on this site and others. For example, it appears there are regular posters who spend unlimited hours on this site such as Glenski and Paul H. While they may have been in Japan a long time (perhaps far too long), |
How long is too long? I have a wife and kids here. Kids go to school.
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| they seem to have the answers for just about every job-related question that comes up on this forum. For those of you who have been following this site, please keep in mind that neither of them have been out in the Tokyo market and neither of them have had much experience in the part-time market. |
The rest of Japan is not Tokyo and not everyone wants to live in one city.
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| Tokyo is a different world from Hokkaido and from Kansai. The opportunities are far greater and the salaries often considerably higher. If you have an education and some experience, Tokyo can be a fantastic place to make a great living -- even in today's market. |
Good for you, I will give advice on the rest of the country and you can tell people about Kanto only as you are the expert.
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| There are many many teachers who live here year after year and make a great living. You can do very well even if you don't have loads of experience or haven't been here that long. It is the Glenskis and Paul H's who tell everyone that without an MA degree or without this or without that, you can't get anything but an entry-level position at some lousy 250,000 yen/month job. That is a complete myth. If you are intelligent, want to work and do well, there are loads of opportunities. |
As usual, lots of generalisations and no supporting evidence such as job links or proof that such jobs exist.
The JET program pays 300,000 yen a month or 3.6 million yen a year. Most eikaiwas are between 230-250,000 yen a month. Yes you can work like Capper was doing 2 years ago. 10-12 hour days. 90 minute commutes one way to get to work and spending half your life on crowded trains. Working until 10 or 11 at night while you have a young wife and newborn child. Seeing your kids grow up is sometimes more important than the size of your bank account.
Capper will soon discover too, what it costs to raise and educate kids in this country. i have raised two so far, my daughter is 12 now. Anyway, I thought you were going back to live in Canada. I see you are still here a year later. I knew the money he was on was too good to give up.
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| Please be cautious of their "advice." They try to paint a picture that they are in some elite class and have accomplished what the average person can't. |
The average person cant get a university job unless they are qualified. if they are qualified then by all means apply. I have accomplished it becuase I qualify for the jobs i apply for. Simple as that.
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| It's sad and ridiculous. They keep bringing up this issue of how they are simply being "realistic". In actuality, the opportunties are numerous and possibilities endless. |
Name ONE. Opportunities are not jobs. Possibilities are not jobs either. they are potential jobs, and potential jobs dont pay the rent. Its about as secure as buying a lottery ticket.
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| Also, the main idea / concept of these forums is to obtain / share info. with many different people from all over the place. It is unfortunate that certain people always have to have a say on every matter. Perhaps they should limit the number of posts so that certain people do not HOG the forums. |
You say certain people but point us out BY NAME above. Whats your point?
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:31 am Post subject: |
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UI = everything you've posted with your 8 posts since March 2006. Take a hike capper. At least Keith_Alan had some comedic value.
Glenski and PaulH are quite helpful and share their experiences and take the time out to give noobs, like yourself, the straight facts.
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| Maybe you could offer some specific examples of what these opportunities are, and where they can be found? More than 250,000 sounds great but I haven't seen any of these jobs. If you could provide some more insights, it would be greatly appreciated. |
Chris21, since you put Osaka down as your location, some advice is to always keep searching for a job. If you're making less that 250,000, I assume your playing the stupid dispatch game. Share some insights about why you aren't make 250,000. If you have trouble finding a better full-time job, it might be worth it trying to find better part-time jobs. They are out there, quite often. It just depends on what circles you travel, where you are located and how ambitious you are. Provide some more information and maybe some people can help. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Its my guess that Capper is no longer on the 700,000 a month salary, 5 jobs and 60 hour weeks he was bragging about last year, he now has a kid and hes feeling the pinch with finding good paying jobs.
Takes it out on me so he can feel better about himself.
I am meanwhile applying for a national university job this year. |
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Sweetsee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| I thought those schools were feeling the pinch and private schools pay more Paul? |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Sweetsee wrote: |
| I thought those schools were feeling the pinch and private schools pay more Paul? |
National universities have now become privatised and are like private corporations, they can hire and fire as they like without going through Monbusho and set their own salaries. In general national universities salaries have gone down, contracts are shorter and jobs are harder to get. Some still do pay attractive salaries if you meet their requirements.
The job I am aiming for the classload is only 5 classes a week. |
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Chris21
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info, Canuck. Actually, I've been in Japan for a while, and have teaching qualifications... so I'm not working at an eikaiwa. I'm happy with my current job and am not looking for a change. I was just curious if X-Man could provide more details, for those that are looking for a new job, about the many opportunities for more than 250,000. As Paul H said, X-Man seems to generalize, without any evidence that such jobs exist. It's a shame that some people feel compelled to participate in this forum with only negativity and insults, rather than helping people with concrete evidence.
Just as an aside to sweetsee, what was the point of your post? Do you feel that your opinion is so valuable that your judgements on other posters is what people want to read. Personally, I don't know why you feel sorry for me, nor will I lose sleep over it. Let's avoid the insults and we won't have any more locked forums. |
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canuck
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| Chris21 wrote: |
Thanks for the info, Canuck. Actually, I've been in Japan for a while, and have teaching qualifications... so I'm not working at an eikaiwa. I'm happy with my current job and am not looking for a change. I was just curious if X-Man could provide more details, for those that are looking for a new job, about the many opportunities for more than 250,000. As Paul H said, X-Man seems to generalize, without any evidence that such jobs exist. It's a shame that some people feel compelled to participate in this forum with only negativity and insults, rather than helping people with concrete evidence.
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I heard the YMCA is hiring and looking for qualified teachers. However, I've also heard that the office politics and the working environment isn't close to a "true" international school. But the pay is significantly more than the 250,000 a month etc. X-MAN is a troll. |
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Sweetsee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Howdy Chris,
First, my post was meant to follow the OP's, we posted at roughly the same time. Do you know what I mean? Therefore, it would have been impossible for me to have been thinking of you. Are we clear on that?
Secondly, my point echoed the OP's remarks regarding posters with nothing better to do than badger others.
Thirdly, there are plenty of higher paying jobs on the net for qualified applicants.
Enjoy,
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| Sweetsee wrote: |
Thirdly, there are plenty of higher paying jobs on the net for qualified applicants.
Enjoy,
s |
Including these ones?
http://jrecin.jst.go.jp/index_e.html |
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Sweetsee
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| See? Thanks Paul. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| I heard the YMCA is hiring and looking for qualified teachers. However, I've also heard that the office politics and the working environment isn't close to a "true" international school. But the pay is significantly more than the 250,000 a month etc. X-MAN is a troll. |
The YMCA is a private commercial language school and can not be considered an 'international' school but rather a play group for children of different nationalities. Im not sure the YMCA follows a baccalaureate curriculum or that its recognised by international accreditting agencies. I have known of people working at YMCA but teacher requirements are far less stringent than recognised international schools. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| The YMCA is a private commercial language school and can not be considered an 'international' school but rather a play group for children of different nationalities. Im not sure the YMCA follows a baccalaureate curriculum or that its recognised by international accreditting agencies. I have known of people working at YMCA but teacher requirements are far less stringent than recognised international schools. |
You're right. They are trying to get accredited, and have been for a long time. There is also Kansai International School doing the same thing, but they are starting out. They hire only licenced teachers, for the most part, and some don't have teaching experience in their home countries. I think the pay is around 320,000 a month where somewhere like Osaka International School is somewhere around 450,000 a month. |
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