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24601



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:07 am    Post subject: tattoos and flip flops and mules Reply with quote

I have two small tattoos, one on the exterior of each ankle. I was intelligent enough to get them somewhere they can be hidden, at least.

I'm going to assume this means I can never wear skirts to work, correct?

Also, how strict are they on that whole pantyhose thing? God I hate nylons with unbridled passion. Bless Melrose Place for knocking them out of fashion in North America. I know I could never get away with no pantyhose with a skirt, but if I'm wearing long business slacks, do they really care if the small bit of the top of my foot (not toes, I know no open toes) is visible?

24601 only wears heels, so "socks" aren't an option.

Second. I hate hate hate hate hate wearing Other People's Shoes. So I was planning to bring some slippers to wear indoors at work. I'm going to assume flip flops are a no no? Funny I ask as normally I abhor the things and find them an abberation to fashion, but they do seem simple enough to slip on and off.

Finally, what of mules? the shoes with no backs on the heels?

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Is that a no-no?
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answers to a lot of what you ask depends on where you will be working- a high school? Nova? Aeon?

At eikaiwas you mostly wear shoes inside except for some kids classes where you go into a separate room and put on slippers. At high schools etc teachers and students usually change to indoor shoes going into the classroom. In these cases you can bring your own slippers or inddoe shoes.

I have a small tattoo on my left ankle and nobody ever said anything about it while I was teaching but I mostly wore trousers and it's pretty unobtrusive anyway.

I often wore mules, and with trousers I didn't wear pantyhose for the last couple of years but I pretty much got special dispensation because I had surgery for ingrown toenails 3 times before I realised that pantyhose were causing the problem- I told my manager that if I wore pantyhose I would have to go and have half my toenail ripped off yet again and I therefore wasn't wearing them any more.

I rarely wore a skirt at the eikaiwas I worked for because they were always airconditioned too cold for me, so trousers, no socks and mules became standard attire for me.

Let us know where you will be working and we can probably give you some more definite advice.
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24601



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got picked by NOVA. Does that help?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: tattoos and flip flops and mules Reply with quote

24601 wrote:
I have two small tattoos, one on the exterior of each ankle. I was intelligent enough to get them somewhere they can be hidden, at least.

I'm going to assume this means I can never wear skirts to work, correct?

Also, how strict are they on that whole pantyhose thing? God I hate nylons with unbridled passion. Bless Melrose Place for knocking them out of fashion in North America. I know I could never get away with no pantyhose with a skirt, but if I'm wearing long business slacks, do they really care if the small bit of the top of my foot (not toes, I know no open toes) is visible?

24601 only wears heels, so "socks" aren't an option.

Second. I hate hate hate hate hate wearing Other People's Shoes. So I was planning to bring some slippers to wear indoors at work. I'm going to assume flip flops are a no no? Funny I ask as normally I abhor the things and find them an abberation to fashion, but they do seem simple enough to slip on and off.
Is that a no-no?


I dont work at NOVA but the general rule there (they are rather anal about dress code) is no open toes, sandals or thongs. Maybe a pump or low heel shoe with the big toe visible is OK but generally open ended shoes or sandals are out. Maybe you can tell them you are allergic to nylon and synthetics or wear ankle-length flesh colored stockings.

Shoes you wear in side are meant just for that. You can buy slippers at department stores and carry them with you or leave them at school if you go there regularly. usually slippers at school are plastic, one size at high schools but some places offer cloth/fabric slippers for visitors. Flip flops or jandals are generally not worn inside though.
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24601



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: tattoos and flip flops and mules Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
I dont work at NOVA but the general rule there (they are rather anal about dress code) is no open toes, sandals or thongs. Maybe a pump or low heel shoe with the big toe visible is OK but generally open ended shoes or sandals are out. Maybe you can tell them you are allergic to nylon and synthetics or wear ankle-length flesh colored stockings.

Shoes you wear in side are meant just for that. You can buy slippers at department stores and carry them with you or leave them at school if you go there regularly. usually slippers at school are plastic, one size at high schools but some places offer cloth/fabric slippers for visitors. Flip flops or jandals are generally not worn inside though.


That works. I don't like open toes at all. I remember watching memoirs of a geisha when "Mother" said "we do not bare our feet like a monkey" and thinking "right on." I don't mind the knee highs. Just trying to figure out what to pack and bring. I'm very adaptable and look better in pant suits anyway.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: tattoos and flip flops and mules Reply with quote

24601 wrote:
Just trying to figure out what to pack and bring. I'm very adaptable and look better in pant suits anyway.


More info on what to bring to Japan

http://www.eltnews.com/guides/living/bring.shtml
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D.O.S.



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: tattoos and flip flops and mules Reply with quote

24601 wrote:
I have two small tattoos, one on the exterior of each ankle. I was intelligent enough to get them somewhere they can be hidden, at least.

I only have 20 years experience in Japan. So I hope I'm "qualified" to reply.

Japanese do not enjoy being lorded over or scared. So they prefer shorter, silly looking/soft, smiling, teachers. Having a little gut is an asset at higher levels. Having a Kansas-cornbread smile is enough for lower levels.

A tatoo is scary. It means "mafia" and "danger." Even small tatoos will ring their alarms.

Cover up.
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mrjohndub



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: tattoos and flip flops and mules Reply with quote

D.O.S. wrote:
Japanese do not enjoy being lorded over or scared.


Uh...

Is that exceptional in some way?
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Like a Rolling Stone



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DOS wrote:
Japanese do not enjoy being lorded over or scared. So they prefer shorter, silly looking/soft, smiling, teachers. Having a little gut is an asset at higher levels.


This short silly looking soft man has the right look Wink when he wears his shoirt.

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D.O.S.



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's not cute enough.

And when I say soft (English lessons available for $300/hour) I mean:

Soft like a nice soft Minnie Mouse doll or a cuddly Doreamon.
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Ai



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm going to assume this means I can never wear skirts to work, correct?


I work for an eikaiwa and I actually don't have to cover my tattoo (also on the ankle). But I think that at most jobs (NOVA included) you do have to cover up. I've actually never shown my tattoo at work. When I wear skirts, I've worn opaque tights.

If you're working with children who aren't used to foreigners yet, I have found that they will be really distracted by anything strange about you. It could be your body (having big boobs can be a nightmare!). They are even shocked by some things you do that you wouldn't think twice about (drinking water in class, stepping on a chair with shoes on). So that's a big part of why I've decided to hide my tatto. It's just easier.

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24601 only wears heels, so "socks" aren't an option.


I'd consider my job to be somewhat laid back in dress code, but socks (or tights/hoes) are a must. Bare feet are not okay. Luckily they have these really cute little ankle type socks here make for wearing with heals. I love them!
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are at Nova you will be wearing your street shoes inside, one less thing to worry about. Mules will definitely be fine.
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24601



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D.O.S. wrote:
He's not cute enough.

And when I say soft (English lessons available for $300/hour) I mean:

Soft like a nice soft Minnie Mouse doll or a cuddly Doreamon.


Your sig line that shows IPs and browsers is creepy.
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mrjohndub



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, and he/she has been asked on numerous occasions to get rid of it. He/she apparently thinks it's funny.
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D.O.S.



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: tattoos and flip flops and mules Reply with quote

mrjohndub wrote:
D.O.S. wrote:
Japanese do not enjoy being lorded over or scared.


Uh...

Is that exceptional in some way?

In fact it is.

Many Japanese (especially the men) are very sensitive about this.
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