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The_Prodiigy



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Passports Reply with quote

Does anyone have any useful info on how difficult and how much it is for Chinese folks to get a Chinese passport ?

I was talking with a student a few days ago. Told me he wanted to go to the States and reconned it costs something like 1,000,000 Yuan.

This seems impossible but I wonder how accessible they are and whether they are set rules and regulations. Does The Ministry set ad-hoc rules, I wonder.

In the Uk we are so used to applying for one as a matter of course.

Appreciate any thoughts/experience on this subject.

Ta.
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Shan-Shan



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least in Liaoning, all that was required for my Chinese friend was his ID card, a few hundred RMB, and a wait of around two to three weeks after going to the local passport office. This was in 2005.

Compared to Canada, it seems a lot easier here: no having to track down "qualified" people (those "professionals" who have their professional ways to distinguish between the real you and the imposter you, something only doctors, engineers and lawyers are capable of doing for Canadians) to testify that you are indeed the person in the photographs in your application.

But for Chinese to get a visa to stick in their passport, that's a whole other quandry.


The PSB office dealing with passports in the city where your student resides (according his ID card) should be able to answer these questions.
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anthyp



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah it is really easy for them to get a passport. Getting a visa is a whole different story, though.

My wife applied for hers a couple of months ago and paid only 200 RMB. It was ready in a couple of weeks. Because we are going back to the States together, she had to apply for an Immigrant Visa from the US CIS which takes forever to get, but only costs about 5000 RMB total. I don't know where your student got that figure from, but I imagine that if a Chinese person wanted to get a tourist visa, or a student visa, yeah, they'd have to have a lot of money.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not make it difficult for Chinese citizens to get passports. Many countries like the US and England, though, require them to jump through hoops for the actual visa. Other countries like Thailand and Cambodia aren't so strict and Chinese folks can get visas for those countries pretty easily.

Did you know that only something like 20% of US citizens own passports?
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tw



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife's hukou (residence registration) is in Liaoning, but she was actually born and raised in Jilin. She had to bring her hukou ID card and a report from the PSB office stating she does in fact exists as counterfeit ID cards are very common in China. It cost her around 400 RMB and took about two weeks but that was only because it was just before last year's October 1 week-long holiday. According to her, it usuaally takes about a week only and if the applicant lives in Beijing, the passport would be ready in 3 or 4 days as all passports are issued from Beijing.

Chinese officials are very strict about passport photos. The women have to tie their hair into a ponytail. Eyeglasses, earrings, and necklaces need to be removed or covered.
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The_Prodiigy



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your replies.

As I suspected, the student must have plucked that figure out of the air. It seemed incongruous at the time but I had no other information.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is that many Chinese still believe they need connections to make it abroad even inside China, and some think a foreigner is the right connection (because in the past they would have to show an invitation from a froeign country to be granted the coveted passport). That is no longer needed; in fact I believe it's way too easy for some to get their passport!

That guy might have meant tuition for a university in the U.S>A. - note that the majority still go abroad to study, and that is a serious drain on their resources.
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petergunn



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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in fact I believe it's way too easy for some to get their passport!

And just why shouldn't it be easy for a citizen to get a passport, Roger??
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The_Prodiigy



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
That guy might have meant tuition for a university in the U.S>A. - note that the majority still go abroad to study, and that is a serious drain on their resources.


Not exactly. He wanted to meet Linkin Park and Eminem.
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Bayden



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: Passports Reply with quote

The_Prodiigy wrote:
Does anyone have any useful info on how difficult and how much it is for Chinese folks to get a Chinese passport ?

I was talking with a student a few days ago. Told me he wanted to go to the States and reconned it costs something like 1,000,000 Yuan.

This seems impossible but I wonder how accessible they are and whether they are set rules and regulations. Does The Ministry set ad-hoc rules, I wonder.

In the Uk we are so used to applying for one as a matter of course.

Appreciate any thoughts/experience on this subject.

Ta.

Getting his Chinese passport is the simple step.
Getting the U.S. Visa is not so simple.
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KES



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger:
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....in fact I believe it's way too easy for some to get their passport!


Really?

Can you explain that opinion?

Does that include South African citizens?
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger opined.
The rest of us aren't allowed.
To the OP, getting a passport is easy. It's the entry visa from the foreign country that's tricky and expensive. I could tell you our story, but it's probably out of date and not in line with The Book According To Roger.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Prodiigy wrote:
Roger wrote:
That guy might have meant tuition for a university in the U.S>A. - note that the majority still go abroad to study, and that is a serious drain on their resources.


Not exactly. He wanted to meet Linkin Park and Eminem.


Well, in that case he certainly had his figures exaggerated or confused.
I don't know how he could go to the U.S>A. on his own; to other countries he would have to join a tour group.

I befriended a young man who started out as a tour guide to foreign visitors to China; he later told me he had an uncle in Irkutsk, so he wanted to visit him in Siberia.
That was in 1993. It took him a couple of weeks to get a brand-new passport for U.S.$ 50 (that's what he told me), and he travelled to Irkutsk and back on his own that year or the next.
Considering this was in the early 1990s - right after '89 - I would say it was pretty easy for him to get a passport. In the meantime it's become a lot easier. Some Chinese traipse around China without a passport, hoping to be allowed to cross the border; I met a guy from Shenzhen in Pingxiang, Guangxi several years ago; he had no passport but an iron conviction that he would be going to Hanoi. I made my way there, returned to Guangdong - and met that chap again: yes, he had been to Vietnam, legally, without a passport. He joined a local tour group and the tour operator had to guarantee for him to the Vietnamese authorities.

So who wants to tell me it's "difficult" for Chinese to go abroad, or to get a passport? My former wife got a passport from Shenzhen; she applied for it at a time when every mainlander needed a visa to go there. The fact that she was married to a foreign national helped her get her passport more quickly. She has been to Hong Kong and Macau uncounted times; now she no longer needs a visa - people with a hukou of a Pearl RIver Delta town are allowed unrestricted access to HK and MC. Residents from poorer provinces farther N and W still need to go with the help of a tour agent.
And I suppose, travelling to the U.S>A. means your friend has to book an arrangement through a travel agent too. But it's not impossible. IT's just more expensive for some because there often is no competition between travel agents, so their prices are unreasonably high.
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