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womblingfree
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 Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: DELTA interview |
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I've got an interview for a DELTA course, anyone know what I should expect?
Not sure I want or need to do it but I need an advanced teacher training certificate and unfortunately TEFL MA's don't count.
There are a few other teacher training options such as the PGCE, or a grade 4 certificate in ESOL. I think maybe these are prefered over the DELTA in the public sector.
Anyone got the heads up on teacher education? |
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Like a Rolling Stone
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Does anyone know if DELTA or CELTA is best? Is one of them trying to cash in on the others name?  |
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whatthefunk
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| CELTA is the better of the two because C comes before D in the alphabet. i thought this was common knowledge.... |
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Like a Rolling Stone
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| whatthefunk wrote: |
| CELTA is the better of the two because C comes before D in the alphabet. i thought this was common knowledge.... |
Is their a AELTA or BELTA? |
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whatthefunk
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| im pretty sure that someone is making one. whoever makes the AELTA is going to ba a rich man... maybe i should get on that... |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Celta's a 'certificate'.
Delta's a 'diploma'.
They're both issued from the same organisation, Cambridge.
Delta is much, much better. Usually not allowed to do the delta without having the Celta. |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| ...So no one's done one? |
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isanity
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Haven't done one, but for what it's worth: this isn't a job interview. You're trying to give them money and they want to take it.  So they're not trying to find the one best person to take the course; all they want to know is that you're capable of doing it successfully. So don't worry about what to expect. If they offer you a place, all well and good; if they don't, it's because you're not ready. Try again next time.
It sounds to me like you need to do some more research before deciding what qualification to go for. According to http://www.cambridgeesol.org/teaching/cfet.htm, a DELTA on its own isn't sufficient for FE work in the UK, if that's what you're interested in. |
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Ai
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| Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| unfortunately TEFL MA's don't count. |
Really? I thought that our MA TEFLs outweighed all those TEFl certs. That is quite troubling! |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Ai wrote: |
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| unfortunately TEFL MA's don't count. |
Really? I thought that our MA TEFLs outweighed all those TEFl certs. That is quite troubling! |
A Masters degree will get you a better paying job in Japan such as at a university but its considered more an academic degree than a vocational training certificate.
It all depends on who is doing the asking, and their own personal biases towards certification. I have seen people argue till they are blue in the face that a CELTA is worth more as a practical qualification than a theoretically-based MA. |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| Ai wrote: |
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| unfortunately TEFL MA's don't count. |
Really? I thought that our MA TEFLs outweighed all those TEFl certs. That is quite troubling! |
A Masters degree will get you a better paying job in Japan such as at a university but its considered more an academic degree than a vocational training certificate.
It all depends on who is doing the asking, and their own personal biases towards certification. I have seen people argue till they are blue in the face that a CELTA is worth more as a practical qualification than a theoretically-based MA. |
OK, here's what I've untangled from the myriad qualifications available (I'm based in Europe now by the way where teacher ed. is essential).
An MA will get you (theoretically) a job at a university in Japan.
To get almost any work outside of Japan you will need at least an entry level TEFL certificate like the CELTA. DELTA will get you the better jobs.
If you already have a DELTA or similair diploma then doing an MA can lead to university work or possibly D.O.S. (director of studies) work.
However if you have an MA without a formal teacher training certificate then the MA will not get you far. It may not even get you an entry level job at a private language school outside of Japan. Coupled with a basic training certificate however it is of great advantage.
Confusingly in the UK at least the DELTA is insufficient to get a job in public higher education. For this you will need a grade 4 ESOL certificate or a recognised teacher training certificaten like the PGCE. DELTA is grade 7 but does not contain vital modules which these other courses have apparently.
Confused? Tell me about it 
Oh and PaulH, those people that argue that a CELTA is of more worth than an MA are talking out of their arse. It's a four week introductory course. If they are comparing the DELTA to an MA they have a (vey minor) point, although most MA TEFL students are doing an MA to further their careers having done a DELTA years before. In reality a DELTA is equivalent to perhaps 2 modules at Masters level, whereas a full Masters requires 6 to 8 modules PLUS a dissertation. The DELTA has the advantage of observed teaching practice, but the minimum you require for the British Council is only 6 hours anyway, which seems rather a token amount. There are MA's which would provide this anyhow, negating the need for seperate certification.
In reality I'd say that an MA is probably the minimum requirement for anyone proposing ESOL/EFL teaching as a profession. The fact that you must also do another certificate of dubious benefit, says more about the ESOL/EFL 'business' or 'cartel' than it does about standards. Really a new universally accepted post-graduate qualification at Masters level that incorporates teacher training should be introduced.
Try getting a job outside of language teaching, and you can wave your DELTA round till you're blue in the face and they still wont know what it is. Whereas an MA could be useful for any number of things outside of the specialised subject area in the title.
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Nismo
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| Oh and PaulH, those people that argue that a CELTA is of more worth than an MA are talking out of their arse. It's a four week introductory course similar to the weeks training you get at AEON. |
Don't exaggerate. The AEON training gives you 2 days of "learning to live in Japan" and 3 days of "this is a business" talks with a little bit of "fill in the blanks lesson planning" to spice things up. |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| isanity wrote: |
| It sounds to me like you need to do some more research before deciding what qualification to go for. According to http://www.cambridgeesol.org/teaching/cfet.htm, a DELTA on its own isn't sufficient for FE work in the UK, if that's what you're interested in. |
You're absolutely right. I want to teach FE so a DELTA is actually a useless waste of time for me, especially as I already have an MA, well in a few weeks
Also, very importantly, the government recognised courses are FREE! whereas the DELTA is a couple of thousand pounds 
With this state of affairs I'd say that the Cambridge boards carte blanche of printing money for dubious certificates will hopefully soon be at an end. |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Nismo wrote: |
| womblingfree wrote: |
| Oh and PaulH, those people that argue that a CELTA is of more worth than an MA are talking out of their arse. It's a four week introductory course similar to the weeks training you get at AEON. |
Don't exaggerate. The AEON training gives you 2 days of "learning to live in Japan" and 3 days of "this is a business" talks with a little bit of "fill in the blanks lesson planning" to spice things up. |
When I did it it was five days of how to teach audio-lingual classes, with a day of kids training at the end. They saved the sales stuff for another day.
A CELTA is nothing more than a beginners rough guide to teaching, and in that respect very similair. I certainly wouldn't send my kids to a school where someone had done a one to four week crash course! |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| womblingfree wrote: |
| It's a four week introductory course similar to the weeks training you get at AEON. |
| womblingfree wrote: |
| A CELTA is nothing more than a beginners rough guide to teaching, and in that respect very similair. |
You're really showing your ignorance and your youth. Firstly, learn to spell similar....or didn't they teach you that in your Master's course? Secondly, they teach you the fundamentals that can be applied in the classroom. The course provides an excellent foundation. |
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