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[jo3box3r]

Hey I just want to say hi. I am looking to work and study in China/Beijing.

My name is Joey, I am from Canada 25yrs old- now living in Taiwan. I teach English, I have TESOL etc. and I worked in Trade, and management of a school.

I will come to Beijing in September. I am not 100% sure Beijing is the best place to study chinese, so if you have some other ideas, anything would be helpful.

I have studying in Taiwan for over 1 year. I want to go to china to do business. I am not sure if I would try things on my own or try to go through a company? seems difficult. You know.


Are their lots of jobs available for foreigners? I am also trying to get a scholarship.. So if you have any Ideas on how to do that. Or your personal experience..That would also be very grateful.


How Can I set up my living? And how much should I expect to pay?
how to get around in China?


I was hoping maybe you can help me. What are you doing there? and anything info to help me out.
I don't know how to get around in Beijing, how to find a place to live- Cheap. and go to school- good school and good price., and find good work..
e-mail me [email protected]

Thank you Daves ESL cafe.

Any advise would be helpful. I will be there in Sept.
Thank you.

[Bayden]

[jo3box3r]

Does anyone know how to get a scholarship in Shanghai?

jiao tong or fu dan.

Thanks.

please let me know.

[Lobster]

Sorry Jo, but I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Do you, a foreigner, actually want someone to pay for or subsidize your university studies at a Chinese university through a scholarship? Perhaps if you were enrolled at a uni in Canada with a foreign-exchange program you could apply to them, but who is going to fork over cash to a rich foreigner here when so many Chinese students can't afford tuition? I'm certain that I don't understand. If you offered a uni teaching services at a reduced rate, perhaps they would give you reduced tuition to study Chinese in a casual way. If you plan on studying and working at the same time legally, be sure to arrange the correct visa.

RED

[wailingtraps]

Lots of foreign students get offered tuition fees and a shared room if they get a high mark on the HSK. There is also something called the great wall scholarship which you can look up on the web....

Other than that im not too sure. I'd speak to the Canadian board of commerce in Beijing(or whatever its called) and they might be able to point you in the right direction. Other options could be the rotary club and similar organizations back home..........

as far as school in shanghai go id go for East China Normal University or sth similar....I knew some students at fudan and their workload was just silly...im all in favour of working hard but they all seemed to think that it was far too much.....i cant remember how many characters they had to learn each day but it was a lot..........just my opinion anyway.....i know fudan has a great rep....




Good luck...let us know if you find your pot of gold

[adamsmith]

Sorry Joey, but there are just to many contradictions in your post to be taken seriously. Do you want to come here to study? to work? to do business?
You have TESOL - but your english is more chinglish than Canadian. Have you graduated from a Can Uni? You managed a school or worked in trade - I am not sure - but why are you looking for scholarships? Were you studying in Taiwaan or were you working?

[jo3box3r]

Hey guys.

Well thanks again for everything.

I was studying full time chinese in Taiwan.- Traditional characters.
and working in many different jobs. Martial arts, BBJ thaiboxing instructor. Logistics comapny. teaching english, and sending kids over seas to study. Also car wash chain store. I learn alot about business.
I would like to go back to school though.

I know there are lots of scholarships and things like that available.
In \Taiwan. Its not hard to do. All my friends have it. But I do not know many people in China.

[Shan-Shan]

With already having studied formally in Taiwan, I don't see your need for further classroom experience. Once the basics have been set firmly in place, exploit the fact that you are in China, and learn the Chinese that Chinese people speak and Chinese people read. The overseas students I've met whose Chinese excelled were those who attended class the least to hang out with their Chinese friends; those always busy studying, often alone, into the wee hours of the morning in their little dorm rooms, were often the barely comprehensible speakers -- making sure they used lesson 27's new vocabular on Monday, and then lesson 28's on Tuesday hampered the fluency of their speaking greatly.

Should you already have a good foundation, allow the country to be your classroom. Get acquainted with people, talk to them, speak about issues the teacher would likely avoid in favour of yet another lesson about taking a trip up the wazoo of 八达岭长城.

It's just a little bewildering why one would continue to spend thousands for the right to be stuck with other foreigners in a classroom for years on end when China, and hence Chinese, is right there, everyday, in front of you.

Try hard, and you just might find a few people who won't peck you to death with English, or suggest unbalanced "language exchanges", and just regard you as someone else speaking to them in Chinese, and possibly take you on routes off limits to the classroom.





And remember: it's English, not english.

[wailingtraps]

Great post Shan-Shan. It really is that simple...get your head around the basics and then its up to you........some people work better with the pressures that come with formal study and some dont.....if you can get scholarships easily in taiwan then maybe thats the place to learn if you really feel the need to study...if not..pitch up here make the right friends and take it from there....if only I could heed my own advice....


Good luck!

[tw]

From a Chinese person's perspective, I wouldn't bother with learning SIMPLIFIED Chinese characters after having learned TRADITIONAL Chinese characters. Simplified Chinese characters are useless outside of Mainland China and Singapore. The only possible advantage the OP might gain from studying Chinese in China is to perhaps improve his pronunciation.

[jo3box3r]

malaysia, indonesia. china, singapore - they all use simplified.
who used traditional? besides Taiwan?

America and Canada, Japan, Korea mostly study simplified.

[tw]

[Shan-Shan]

Another linguistic misperception. Koreans, that is unless they travel to China to study Chinese, learn traditional "hanja" (汉字）during their schooling. The number required to learn shifts depending on who is making such decisions, but the types don't change.

North Koreans learn far fewer than those in the south, though I don't know whether the shape, i.e. simplified or traditional, follows mainland China or not.

Interestingly, some "simplified" characters are actually early forms, or 古字， of what have become known as "traditional" characters. For an interesting short essay on this fact, see 汉字简化和字源 （方舟子）at:

http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~whu/China/jianhua.html

[prof]

The Beijing market is saturated.

Think: supply and demand.

There are many teachers who have lived there since the mid-90's looking for new work.

And there are so many "embassy spouses" looking to do something other than stay at home and watch tv.

I suggest you look at schools in the NorthEast and West.

But it will be a real lesson/eye opener if you apply to jobs in Beijing and find yourself losing out to the wives of employees of the Canadian, US and other embassies (working illegally!)

[sheeba]

I find Beijing a little annoying for learning Chinese . Too many people trying to speak to me in English and too many Laowai around me !!