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dezgard



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: need help in beijing please Reply with quote

Let me start by saying hello to you all

I�m new to the forum for posting but have been a long time reader.

Ok here is my problem

1). I�m living in Beijing at the moment with no job

2). I have a RPF for the purpose of study 9+ months left on it

3). I�m looking to teach English in Beijing but I don�t have a degree but I do have 2+ years teaching English in the UK

4). I�m finding it hard to keep turning down working with an F-visa

Is there a way to use the RPF so I can get a FEC?

thanks in advance for you�re reply's
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Lobster



Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, find a job with a reputable institution with the credentials to hire FTs. They can convert your visa to working status and arrange your FEC if they can convince the authorities of your qualifications. You can't get an FEC on your own so you can freelance. You need to stay legal.

RED
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lf_aristotle69



Joined: 06 May 2006
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Location: HangZhou, China

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: need help in beijing please Reply with quote

dezgard wrote:
Let me start by saying hello to you all

I�m new to the forum for posting but have been a long time reader.

Ok here is my problem

1). I�m living in Beijing at the moment with no job

2). I have a RPF for the purpose of study 9+ months left on it

3). I�m looking to teach English in Beijing but I don�t have a degree but I do have 2+ years teaching English in the UK

4). I�m finding it hard to keep turning down working with an F-visa

Is there a way to use the RPF so I can get a FEC?

thanks in advance for you�re reply's


2 possibilities.

If you're person #1. Then please understand that I'm not poking fun nor criticising, just trying to understand your situation more fully.

But, if you're person #2, then GET LOST!

#1. Are you still studying in Beijing? i.e. Will you resume your studies after the summer vacation? But, you also want a job 'on the side', full or part time? You are a non-native speaker without a Degree. You said you have taught English in the UK (where I guess you were also a foreign student...), but you didn't mention if you have an ESL teaching qualification, or not. Do you? And, was that teaching in the UK casual, i.e. just with other international students, or did you work for some kind of real training centre program?

#2. You're some kind of Chinese government worker (PSB???) or work for some Chinese university (FAO or Personnel Dept.???) with many foreign students, and you're just digging for information from the horse's mouth...

If you're #1, sorry I don't have any answers. But, maybe if you clarified those details then people could help you more easily. Oh, but you should keep working on your own English as well...

As I said, if you're #2... GET LOST!

LFA
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dezgard



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HAHA

Sorry I should have put in more detail's

I�m a UK citizen

I don�t have an ESL teaching qualification

my teaching position in the UK was teaching Indian chief's English for an oil company that wanted to get into the restaurant business 2 years I have a referee contact in the UK to confirm

i was studying Chinese in the city xiangtan'hunan province (summer holiday) so i come to Beijing to get a job as i intend to stay here for 4-5 years

my girlfriend is Chinese i met her in the UK she was a student she is helping me a lot here in china we just want to settle down in Beijing but find it hard because I don�t have a degree Crying or Very sad

I would like to meet some one face to face in Beijing that could help that you they can see I�m not a psb he he

Or they can phone me i can kick back with my Scottish he he

Thanks
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lf_aristotle69



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Location: HangZhou, China

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dezgard wrote:
HAHA

Sorry I should have put in more detail's


Hey dezgard,

Sorry if my initial post was a bit blunt.

I hope with the extra info you have now given that someone can help you.

Beijing is a good city with many opportunities.

Good luck,

LFA
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dezgard



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it posable to get a FEC with my (RPF for purpose of study) or can my RPF be changed in to a RPF for the purpose of work ?
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tw



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can not get a FEC with your student RPF. If you get hired by an employer who is legally allowed to hire FT's, the employer should (hopefully) then be able get your student RPF cancelled at the PSB and have a RPF for employment issued.

Your problem may lie in the fact that Beijing is saturated with foreigners and that without a degree and no TEFL training, you will have a difficult time finding legal employment. Are you willing to consider working in a smaller and/or more remote region/city?
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dezgard



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if i find an employer all they have to do is go to the PSB cansel the old RPF and change it to a working RPF

So no trip to HK for a Z visa ?

as the Z visa is just to get the RPF
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Lobster



Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter what visa you hold now, a legitimate employer will arrange your Temporary Residency Permit and your Foreign Expert's Certificate. Your strengths are your teaching experience and China knowledge and your weaknesses are a lack of a degree and TEFL certification.

As noted, the competitive environment there will make securing a post more difficult, but as fall approaches you may be able to latch onto something. Some here have succeeeded in getting an FEC without a degree, while others have been unable to surmount this.

Only a legal and certified employer is going to be able to do this for you, and no visa run would be required. Others may offer to employ you on the wrong visa, but that's not the way to go. So, get online and apply to schools and find one that can arrange the proper papers and acceptable working conditions.

RED
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dezgard



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any one from Beijing that can help me with info on school's and other info.

I�m kind of in a bad spot I only have one and a half month's rent left and then I�m broke Sad I don�t want to have to fall back on my g/f parents seams bad you know especially Chinese families.
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nolefan



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pardon me if I am stating the obvious but have you looked at http://www.thatsbj.com ? Their classified section might provide a few solutions.
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dajiang



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sent ya a pm.

seeya

Dajiang
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