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saloma

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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: The Turks Discovered America! |
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Columbus Was an Ottoman Spy!
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=49888
ANKARA - Turkish Daily News
Amateur historian Cezmi Yurtsever has again claimed to have decrypted secret codes on a map belonging to 16th century Ottoman Admiral Piri Reis and has come to the conclusion that Christopher Colombus was an Ottoman spy.
Speaking at a press conference, Yurtsever said Colombus had not shared the scientific findings of his voyages to America with the Spanish, who had financed him, but with the Ottomans.
He said Colombus had journeyed to the Americas four times between 1492 and 1503 and that he had given maps and information from these journeys to the Ottomans.
�I have solved some of the codes in Piri Reis's map. There is a note on the map that says, �The map of that place came to us.' Consequently, I reached the conclusion that Colombus was an Ottoman spy.�
Yurtsever had previously claimed that Turks discovered America 25 years before Christopher Colombus, establishing a government in the New World.
�It is no coincidence that a country with the word 'Turk' in its name exists there [The Caribbean]. As Piri Reis was drawing up his map in 1513, he was using both Colombus' map and certain information that only he knew. Hundreds of years later, we see a country called Turks and Caicos.� He added that Caicos sounded similar to "kayık" (boat in Turkish) and referred to the country as "Turks and Boats" for the duration of his press conference.
He said world history needs to be reassessed after further analysis of the codes of Piri Reis's map.
Yurtsever's contribution to world history is expected to continue as he unravels more of Piri Reis' mysteries.  |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Actually, some Turks seem to believe they're directly related to Native Americans... Clearly this guy hasn't got his facts straight... |
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Golightly

Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 877 Location: in the bar, next to the raki
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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justme wrote: |
Actually, some Turks seem to believe they're directly related to Native Americans... Clearly this guy hasn't got his facts straight... |
the Navajo nation, I believe. Apparently, their language has distinct grammatical similarities to Turkish, as do their textile designs.
As for Mr. Yurtsever - pompous little twit. |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: |
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My husband chose a more romantic tribe for this relationship-- Cheyenne or Cherokee or Sioux or something-- the kinds of Indians who have good battles in old cowboy movies.
If it's the grammatical similarities of their language, why don't they consider themselves related to Finns? |
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Golightly

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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Actually, a Finnish-Turkic language link has been postulated in the past. However, current thinking tends to dismiss this. Korean is also speculatively linked to Turkish, and it is this East Asian link that raises the possibility of a Native American-Turkic connection, as their ancestors would have arrived from Asia to America via a land bridge during the last ice age. |
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justme

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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Possible but tenuous. But it doesn't give the hoped for 'Shaman culture came from us' or 'We are responsible for General Custer's fall'... |
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Golightly

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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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There's a distinct possibility of the origins of shamanism coming from central Asia! It's certainly still practised in the far east of Russia and Mongolia.
Actually, shamanism has a very, very ancient history. |
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yaramaz

Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2384 Location: Not where I was before
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: |
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I'd heard (from one of my profs at uni, a specialist on the American west)that the Navajo rug came from the Spaniards who blasted through the southwest- the moorish/north african influence. Thus, it is not the Turks but rather those those those...arab people! Ufff ya!
The land bridge thingy from central asia is also fairly accepted- but why would turks claim it as exclusively their shamanistic territory? Why not the siberians? the mongols? They had shamanistic traditions too.
Just for the record, everything in the universe was invented by Canadians and every important person ever was Canadian and, er, our languages (English, French, etc)can be found all over the world, thus proving our socio cultural linguistic global influence. And we use kayaks too, so obviously Turks and Caicos refers to our nautical impact on Turks. |
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